Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

punch it in · 11-06-2012, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mechanix544

he is now. that is all that counts to me. I don't care about him with indy, just like I didn't care about shanahans pre skins record or sucesses/failures. But now, after the team moving backwards other than RG3 and ALMo, his past is definitely becoming a pretty damning argument, as is his present.

Totally agree with everything. Cant blame Shanny for not knowing Garcon was gonna get hurt but I blame him for alot also. You know that.

SmootSmack · 11-06-2012, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by htownskinfan

about whether you had heard that Shanahan had lost the locker room,but now that I think about it I think you said it about Haslet if you indeed did say it

Oh right Haslett. Yeah that's true

punch it in · 11-06-2012, 05:36 PM

Edit : wrong thread sorry

SmootSmack · 11-06-2012, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by punch it in

Lets just say MS is gone - next year - year after - whatever and Kyle aint in line to take over. What is everyones thoughts on these two guys.
Russ Grimm
Perry Fewell
Just curious?

Take a look at the latest threads you'll find a place to discuss that

Mechanix544 · 11-06-2012, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by punch it in

I believe anout shanny losing the team.

Or It might be about him pissing off a bunch of players in the locker room. But SS, weren't you the one that keeps saying the mood and environment at Redskins park is so much better now? If so, that's a damn short turnaround from changing the attitude and feeling of an entire organization, to a bunch of players losing the faith and confidence in their coaching staff halfway through the season. And I'd also wager that the defense knows damn well they suck donkey balls, and probably aren't in the greatest of spirits either. Shipping it in and saying things like shanny did is most definitely not the smartest thing to air out in front of your quarterback that you just bet the farm on. Too bad that farm has a thoroughbred, and not much else. Maybe some lame, dying calfs and a small chicken ( Brandon Banks ).

Shanahan is becoming the HC version of Cam Newton with his attitude and idiotic pressers. Newton without the previous years successes.

punch it in · 11-06-2012, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Take a look at the latest threads you'll find a place to discuss that

Yeah sorry.
Moved it.

SmootSmack · 11-06-2012, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Or It might be about him pissing off a bunch of players in the locker room. But SS, weren't you the one that keeps saying the mood and environment at Redskins park is so much better now? If so, that's a damn short turnaround from changing the attitude and feeling of an entire organization, to a bunch of players losing the faith and confidence in their coaching staff halfway through the season. And I'd also wager that the defense knows damn well they suck donkey balls, and probably aren't in the greatest of spirits either. Shipping it in and saying things like shanny did is most definitely not the smartest thing to air out in front of your quarterback that you just bet the farm on. Too bad that farm has a thoroughbred, and not much else. Maybe some lame, dying calfs and a small chicken ( Brandon Banks ).

Shanahan is becoming the HC version of Cam Newton with his attitude and idiotic pressers. Newton without the previous years successes.

What I said were a couple of key players have been upset with Haslett. That's it

Paintrain · 11-06-2012, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Well, as long as people are willing to go back 7 and 8 years to blame his "teambuilding" on Gibbs 2.0, Vinny Cerratto, Albert hayneworth and the state of the 2008-2009 squad, I'd say its fair to revisit a topic that about 2-3 years old. If anything had a bigger impact as far as stunting the growth and progress of our team, it was trading away a second rounder for an over the hill vet in order to "win now". That and changing a defense that in NO way needed changing, even with the "horrible" roster that was the 2008-2009 squad.

So there's no merit in the fact that of the players from the team that Shanahan inherited that are no longer Redskins only two (Rogers & Landry) are starting elsewhere? That roster had so much talent that only 6 others (Rinehart, Tryon, McIntosh, Campbell, Dockery, E. Williams) are still in the NFL 3 years later? 8 of 53 is a pretty rotten percentage.

McNabb trade, huge mistake, nobody would dispute that. I'd even agree with points 2, 3, 5, 6, 10, 11 and 15 from your post. Too soon to call Garçon a bust. Now that Kyle has a QB to work with, the offense is productive.

You brought up the lack of #1 picks and $18 million cap penalty, so you think someone fresh and new will be able to reshape (meaning start over again) a roster in his vision with that looming on top of the long list you compiled? Good luck.

Mechanix544 · 11-06-2012, 05:57 PM

As well they should be. But I believe that Shanahan deserves most of the blame. These are all his guys, after all. I am so tired of being negative about the redskins, but I really see the team as a whole regressing while RG3 tries to pick up the pieces himself. I am sure that he is capable, but the lack of help, even just on the defensive side of the ball, does not bode well for the future of the organization. Unless Shanahan has a deck full of aces up his sleeve, the way I see it, he is almost out of chips.

And hopefully excuses.

Mechanix544 · 11-06-2012, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

So there's no merit in the fact that of the players from the team that Shanahan inherited that are no longer Redskins only two (Rogers & Landry) are starting elsewhere? That roster had so much talent that only 6 others (Rinehart, Tryon, McIntosh, Campbell, Dockery, E. Williams) are still in the NFL 3 years later? 8 of 53 is a pretty rotten percentage.

McNabb trade, huge mistake, nobody would dispute that. I'd even agree with points 2, 3, 5, 6, 10, 11 and 15 from your post. Too soon to call Garçon a bust. Now that Kyle has a QB to work with, the offense is productive.

You brought up the lack of #1 picks and $18 million cap penalty, so you think someone fresh and new will be able to reshape (meaning start over again) a roster in his vision with that looming on top of the long list you compiled? Good luck.

I think that bringing in a new defensive guy, as well as a new HC would not hurt. We are not exactly "winning", right now, why should shanahan keep his job? What makes you think it won't be more of the same? What has he done, and lets say just in season three, to instill any sort of confidence in his squad outside of RG3. the last 2 games, Almo even looked pedestrian. Goat was correct when he said the last 4 games, the defense has started to slowly roll downhill. Add penalties, injuries with no depth, and a horrible home winning %, and I don't see any coach with 1 playoff victory in 14 years that should keep his job with stuff looking like that. The question is will we fire shanahan. I'm pretty sure he is gonna get one more crack at a full season. The real question should be, if we do not make the playoffs next year, and say finish 8-8 or even 9-7, does that make up for the mediocre 4 years? Does shanny then get to stay on longer? Are we that desperate to feel that an 8-8 record is a step up? What is wrong with the fans. With a "pedigree" like Mike has, we should be screaming from the rooftops DEMANDING more. With him being such a winning coach, we sure do alot of losing. Again, and many have said it, many supposedly inferior coaches have done MUCH more with MUCH less. And he even has a rookie QB that plays like an elite vet, and still no results.

CUT BAIT.

REDSKINS4ever · 11-06-2012, 06:04 PM

After years of poor drafts and ridiculous free-agent signings, it was unreasonable to think Shanahan could repair the lion’s share of the damage in one, two or even three years. This is a heavy-lifting task that can be solved only by trial and error.

But I do feel this team could have been a legitimate contender this season if not for the poor play of the defensive secondary blowing leads after the offense put the team in position for wins.

GridIron26 · 11-06-2012, 06:16 PM

Mike Shanahan deserves a chance to build upon RGIII foundation - The Washington Post

Paintrain · 11-06-2012, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mechanix544

I think that bringing in a new defensive guy, as well as a new HC would not hurt. We are not exactly "winning", right now, why should shanahan keep his job? What makes you think it won't be more of the same? What has he done, and lets say just in season three, to instill any sort of confidence in his squad outside of RG3. the last 2 games, Almo even looked pedestrian. Goat was correct when he said the last 4 games, the defense has started to slowly roll downhill. Add penalties, injuries with no depth, and a horrible home winning %, and I don't see any coach with 1 playoff victory in 14 years that should keep his job with stuff looking like that. The question is will we fire shanahan. I'm pretty sure he is gonna get one more crack at a full season. The real question should be, if we do not make the playoffs next year, and say finish 8-8 or even 9-7, does that make up for the mediocre 4 years? Does shanny then get to stay on longer? Are we that desperate to feel that an 8-8 record is a step up? What is wrong with the fans. With a pedigree like Mike has, we should be screaming from the rooftops DEMANDING more.

I'm with you on a new DC, we need better schemes, better coaching and better players. As for the HC, I don't think changing course at this point would be good long term for RGIII or the team as a whole. Next year I expect another solid draft and targeted free agency, 9 wins, that would represent progress.

jdc65 · 11-06-2012, 06:35 PM

Speaking for myself, I thought the Shanahan hire was terrific, and I was particularly pleased with Kyle coming as OC as I had read nothing but glowing reports about him. I didn't like the switch to the 3-4 nor Haslett to run it. I also didn't like Mike having total control of football operations as I read substantially more negatives than positive reviews. But take the good with the bad and go from there, which brings us to today.

The problem and main complaint I have is not so much Mike the Head Coach, but Mike the head of everything football related. Too many of the negative reviews have been verified, and I don't think the team can win with him in that role. At a minimum, I would like to see him lose power over football operations, and just be the Head Coach. Unfortunately, I don't see him giving that up at all, and that is the problem.

Shanahan was fired from Denver because he wielded too much power, was overbearing in personnel decisions, and took over every aspect of the organization to the point where everything was "Yes Sir". Irsay fired Polian this year for the same reason, he said that Bill just took over the entire organization. It was suffocating. Jerry Jones the same, he won't fire himself, and their team is a perennial shambles. Andy Reid and Bill Parcells became poor coaches when they became De Facto General Managers.

There are no checks and balances, it's Mike's way or the highway on most every single decision. The Head Coach cannot overcome the GM.

whistler · 11-06-2012, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

So let's JUST blame the players.

I know some people have been making stupid "fire x coach" comments/threads that are uncalled for. But how much does something fall on the players and how much does something fall on a coaches?

He's not just the coach but he's the President of Football operations, in other words THEY ARE HIS PLAYERS!

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11-06-2012, 05:57 PM	#1014
Mechanix544 The Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Fort Bliss, TX Posts: 2,277	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? As well they should be. But I believe that Shanahan deserves most of the blame. These are all his guys, after all. I am so tired of being negative about the redskins, but I really see the team as a whole regressing while RG3 tries to pick up the pieces himself. I am sure that he is capable, but the lack of help, even just on the defensive side of the ball, does not bode well for the future of the organization. Unless Shanahan has a deck full of aces up his sleeve, the way I see it, he is almost out of chips. And hopefully excuses.

11-06-2012, 06:04 PM	#1016
REDSKINS4ever Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York, New York Posts: 2,732	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? After years of poor drafts and ridiculous free-agent signings, it was unreasonable to think Shanahan could repair the lion’s share of the damage in one, two or even three years. This is a heavy-lifting task that can be solved only by trial and error. But I do feel this team could have been a legitimate contender this season if not for the poor play of the defensive secondary blowing leads after the offense put the team in position for wins.

11-06-2012, 06:16 PM	#1017
GridIron26 The Starter Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,603	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? Mike Shanahan deserves a chance to build upon RGIII foundation - The Washington Post

11-06-2012, 06:35 PM	#1019
jdc65 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: New Jersey Posts: 246	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? Speaking for myself, I thought the Shanahan hire was terrific, and I was particularly pleased with Kyle coming as OC as I had read nothing but glowing reports about him. I didn't like the switch to the 3-4 nor Haslett to run it. I also didn't like Mike having total control of football operations as I read substantially more negatives than positive reviews. But take the good with the bad and go from there, which brings us to today. The problem and main complaint I have is not so much Mike the Head Coach, but Mike the head of everything football related. Too many of the negative reviews have been verified, and I don't think the team can win with him in that role. At a minimum, I would like to see him lose power over football operations, and just be the Head Coach. Unfortunately, I don't see him giving that up at all, and that is the problem. Shanahan was fired from Denver because he wielded too much power, was overbearing in personnel decisions, and took over every aspect of the organization to the point where everything was "Yes Sir". Irsay fired Polian this year for the same reason, he said that Bill just took over the entire organization. It was suffocating. Jerry Jones the same, he won't fire himself, and their team is a perennial shambles. Andy Reid and Bill Parcells became poor coaches when they became De Facto General Managers. There are no checks and balances, it's Mike's way or the highway on most every single decision. The Head Coach cannot overcome the GM. Last edited by jdc65; 11-06-2012 at 10:15 PM.

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