Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

skinsfan69 · 11-08-2012, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Joe Gibbs started Campbell in 2006 essentially because the season was over, and to give in to a fan base that wanted to believe Mark Brunell was the problem even though he really wasn't.

Consider that at the times Gibbs resigned in 2008, he did make mention that he would have held a QB compeition between Todd Collins and JC had he stayed as coach. I believe Gibbs knew that Campbell was not the answer deep down. Joe preferred veteran QB's because throughout his tenure as head coach it was always the veterans who performed well, played smart, and didn't make mistakes that cost the team...

I wonder how Gibbs 2 would have turned out had he went after Kurt Warner back in 04 instead of Brunell. I thought he would go in that direction because of the Coryell connection with Mike Mike Martz.

los panda · 11-08-2012, 07:20 PM

warner lit it up in ny

SolidSnake84 · 11-08-2012, 08:01 PM

Warner had a hurt hand while he was in NY. Look at how his career finished up. He went out one of the all-time greats. No doubt we would have been as good or maybe better with Warner than we were with Brunell.

Bishop Hammer · 11-08-2012, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

Let's spin this conversation forward then..

So as one of the 'Fire Shanahan' proponents, what is your (or anyone else who wants to fire Shanny) SPECIFIC plan to get this team back on the right path?

Who would you have picking personnel?
Who would you hire as head coach?
What offensive system would you want in place and who (OC) will run it?
What defensive system would you want in place and who (DC) will run it?
Who are your building block players for the systems you recommend?

This is the only reason I'm not for firing Shanahan. Who is going to replace him? What is the FO structure going to be like?

People say Sean Payton but he is not coming here, vacancy or not. Even if he did its no guarantee that he will turn the Skins into a success story. Why would he or any up and coming candidate come here? Without first round draft picks and a reduced salary cap starting a team and getting him what he'll need will be difficult, at best. And with it being his first year any forward progress won't be seen for a couple of years.

For better or worse we're stuck with MS. I don't see things getting but stranger things have happen.

Jayroc24 · 11-08-2012, 08:20 PM

SS- Marcus White?

Alvin Walton · 11-08-2012, 08:31 PM

Report: Jon Gruden eyeing a return to coaching

Bishop Hammer · 11-08-2012, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayroc24

SS- Marcus White?

Ok, I'm sorry what is that in reference to? Is that related to something earlier in the thread? :confused:

And Jon Gruden coming wouldn't be any different than Shanahans stint here.

NC_Skins · 11-08-2012, 08:42 PM

I think the real question should be, why did Mike agree to coach this team knowing that it was in total shambles and needed a major overhaul?

My biggest gripe with Shanny from day one is that he didn't declare it a rebuild, and traded valuable picks for a aging QB and broken down LT. Why not just suck it up, keep JC and bring in Rex to battle for the spot, and build through the draft and FA. Just hold tight until a QB could be drafted (like this year) and roll from there.

However, I had read some answer from his initial interviews when he first got here and KNEW it was going to take more than 3 years to clean out the old aging vets, and get young talent. When the said he told his son Kyle not to come that this place was a mess. It says a whole lot.

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“I’m the one that told Kyle not to come,” he said. ”I said, ‘This is going to be a work in progress. It’s not going to happen over night. And you were on an established team. You’ve got your ducks in order.’”

So again, why in the hell did he take this "trap" of a job? I assume it's because he had a huge chip on his shoulder to prove people wrong. He may have bit off more than he could chew with this mess we had. I firmly believe you don't correct 20 years of horrible culture and mismanagement with 2-1/2 years. It's not going to happen.

REDSKINS4ever · 11-08-2012, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Joe Gibbs started Campbell in 2006 essentially because the season was over, and to give in to a fan base that wanted to believe Mark Brunell was the problem even though he really wasn't.

Consider that at the times Gibbs resigned in 2008, he did make mention that he would have held a QB compeition between Todd Collins and JC had he stayed as coach. I believe Gibbs knew that Campbell was not the answer deep down. Joe preferred veteran QB's because throughout his tenure as head coach it was always the veterans who performed well, played smart, and didn't make mistakes that cost the team...

If Gibbs was still coaching, there would have been no Jim Zorn. No Shanahan. No Bruce Allen and Vinny would still be here unless Snyder just so happened to get rid of him. Todd Collins went on to play terribly for the Bears and Campbell is on his second team since leaving the Redskins. At some point Gibbs would have to be smart and take a hard look at the Rothliesburgers, Rivers, E. Manning, and begin to realize that drafting a QB high and starting him right away would be the best course of action.

NC_Skins · 11-08-2012, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

If Gibbs was still coaching, there would have been no Jim Zorn. No Shanahan. No Bruce Allen and Vinny would still be here unless Snyder just so happened to get rid of him. Todd Collins went on to play terribly for the Bears and Campbell is on his second team since leaving the Redskins. At some point Gibbs would have to be smart and take a hard look at the Rothliesburgers, Rivers, E. Manning, and begin to realize that drafting a QB high and starting him right away would be the best course of action.

He wouldn't be able to do that because he pissed all his draft picks away. Aging old vets or to move up into a draft before he even knows who'll be on the board.

He is a HUGE reason we are in the mess we are in today.

punch it in · 11-08-2012, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bishop Hammer

Ok, I'm sorry what is that in reference to? Is that related to something earlier in the thread? :confused:

And Jon Gruden coming wouldn't be any different than Shanahans stint here.

Yes there was reference to a Redskin player who got high and than drove home and got lost in his neighborhood for two hours. Lmao. SS has told us that it was a defensive player who is not on the team anymore. Also he had done something like this at another time. Not sure if there is such a person or SS is just having fun watching us all throw names out there?
Edit: Gruden might fail miserably or he might not - it would definitely be different though.

HTTR247 · 11-09-2012, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by punch it in

Im confused. Is the deal here that a player leaked this info to LL about Griff being frustrated or is this just LL's take on the current situation in Skinsville?

Its from a direct conversation I had with Griff on Monday at the park before he left. I'm not going to put all of it out there but a lot of guys are not happy.The Banks stuff I was referring to was Griffin saying he ran the wrong route at the end of the game, nothing big.

First time checking out the site, great job. HTTR

SmootSmack · 11-09-2012, 12:14 AM

Any route that involves Banks even being on the field is the wrong route...please cut him already.

HTTR247 · 11-09-2012, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Any route that involves Banks even being on the field is the wrong route...please cut him already.

totally agree...never should of made the team. As far as the smoking player, it is hard to just pick one,especially back when Gibbs & Zorn were here. The specific player I was talking about with that story was S.Hyer. Some how know all the smokers on the team past and present so plenty of defensive players as well. You might might of been thinking of the Defensive guy who use to sell to his teamates..

NC_Skins · 11-09-2012, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by HTTR247

Its from a direct conversation I had with Griff on Monday at the park before he left. I'm not going to put all of it out there but a lot of guys are not happy.The Banks stuff I was referring to was Griffin saying he ran the wrong route at the end of the game, nothing big.

First time checking out the site, great job. HTTR

Welcome good sir

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