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Old 11-10-2012, 07:38 PM   #1186
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Shanny should NOT be fired. Lets throw out the 1st year. In my opinion that was a year to see if we could compete with the roster we had, and obviously that didn't happen.
You can't just toss out a season like it never existed. Last week in the Monday "Evaluation part deux" presser, Shanny said he knew when he took the job the team was old and needed to get younger which they started in year 1. That comment was a head scratcher because he traded and signed older players like Galloway,Mcnabb, Johnson,Parker ,and (insert name). Actions said he thought he could win AND rebuild simultaneously.


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I believe it takes 3 years to turn a roster over from free agents to draft picks in order to show progress. Our roster was over aged, and over paid. Now we have young players at key positions that can help us for years to come.
We are in year 3 and do have some nice young talent but not nearly enough.

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I dont think Haslett should be fired either. They are playing without 4/5 starters, two in the safety spot. THat is huge. I am surprised we didn't/haven't taken a look at Route to be honest.
I'm usually not a fan of letting coaches go mid season but Haslett needs to go asap. This team had Haz/player issues carryover from 2011 into 2012 and a player or two are not even on speaking terms with the coach. Some veterans have become increasing frustrated with how he leads the defense. I spoke to a few veterans who have taken issue with the most recent Haslett quote...

"I come to work, I work hard, I do the best I can with what we got and try to put these guys in position to win games and be successful on defense,” “That’s all really I can do.”

Honest or not some of the guys have taken it as Haz blaming them and taking no accountability in the issues. Players have routinely told the media not to blame the scheme or the coach it was on the players to make plays. Guys that have issues with Haslett still went to bat for him with a mic in their face. Defensive lockeroom is fractured and now on gameday you are starting to see no intensity, no fire, no communication, and so on.. Those are all signs that you are losing the unit and getting ready to be fired.


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But Shanny is moving this team in the right direction and needs to be given the time to make it work.
I want to see "team going in right direction" but I don't see it at all. I see a team regressing in a year they are suppose to be progressing as a team. I see coaches getting fined for chassing & cussing out refs, Players cussing out refs, One of the most penalized teams in the league. Then tons of dropped balls, can't run the base Shanahan offense because of the LG & RTS play, coaches messing up in the media.

On defense I see the most passive 3-4 unit I think I have ever seen in the NFL. Drives me nuts that we have all 4-3 coaches, coaching a 3-4 defense filled with 4-3 personnel, with a Defensive coordinator that never wanted to run the 3-4 here.

And most of that is not even the tip of the ice berg.

Im not sure where I stand on Mike Shanahan yet.. Everything added up does not paint a picture of future success under his guidance unless changes are made.

Hasletts ticket for departure will come anytime after Thanksgiving. Kyle is not guaranteed to stay with the organization either. You could be looking at a new DC & OC entering year 4/5 and that to me is a mess. Year 4 is when you usually have to decide if you are going to extend a coach or enter the infamous last year of the contract with no extension aka " lame duck coach" .

So how would Shanahan improve the team with -18 million, little draft picks, new DC, new OC, possible new DL coach , and a lot of needs??

You are almost at the point that it might be better to cut bait from Mike and start the process again around RG3. I cant believe I said it but its how I feel. Shanny is not going to coach forever and he likely wont be here past 5 IF he makes it that long. so what are you losing?

Some will say you are losing a year of RG3s development..True but if Mike sucks it up in 2013 and is gone then you have wasted 2 years. The problem will just compound.

Maybe I would have a different view if I haven't heard from some folks at the park that they are not sold on Shanahan.. and these were not players.

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Old 11-10-2012, 09:00 PM   #1187
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Shanny said he knew when he took the job the team was old and needed to get younger which they started in year 1. That comment was a head scratcher because he traded and signed older players like Galloway,Mcnabb, Johnson,Parker ,and (insert name). Actions said he thought he could win AND rebuild simultaneously.
I concur. I was against the McNabb trade and on the fence with the Brown trade. It was pretty foolish. I knew McNabb was overrated and what talent he did have was gone. If you take back those picks we gave up, we could potentially have 3 starters (or depth) out of it.

I do give Mike a pass on the Parker/Johnson/Galloway signing though. Remember, it was the uncapped year with teams using tenders on all their restricted FAs so we had nothing to really work with.



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I'm usually not a fan of letting coaches go mid season but Haslett needs to go asap. This team had Haz/player issues carryover from 2011 into 2012 and a player or two are not even on speaking terms with the coach.
At first I was for waiting till the end of the season, but after it was apparent the defensive squad had stopped responding to this man, I wanted him out during this bye week. The team that played against Atlanta isn't the same team that played against the Steelers and Panthers. It was very apparent. I still think Mike's biggest downfall could very well be his selection of a DC to run this defense. I realize Jim was option #2, but surely there were other people more qualified than Jim. He had a year to figure this out.


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I see a team regressing in a year they are suppose to be progressing as a team. I see coaches getting fined for chassing & cussing out refs, Players cussing out refs, One of the most penalized teams in the league. Then tons of dropped balls, can't run the base Shanahan offense because of the LG & RTS play, coaches messing up in the media.
Ruhskin and a couple others talked about the penalties the other week and mentioned how it's a clear sign of a undisciplined team or lack of leadership. This falls on Mike. Plain and simple. Mike should have suspended Kyle and Dhall for their parts. After the Morgan bit, he should have dropped the hammer that anymore would result in sitting for a game. He didn't and it's continued.


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Im not sure where I stand on Mike Shanahan yet.. Everything added up does not paint a picture of future success under his guidance unless changes are made.
I think Mike's ego is getting in the way of some of this. Instead of just correcting the mistake like he did with McNabb, he's going to let this defense thing fester until it's too late.

I personally think he will not succeed here, but he will have a good base built for the next guy to come and get all the credit for turning around. I hope I'm wrong.




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So how would Shanahan improve the team with -18 million, little draft picks, new DC, new OC, possible new DL coach , and a lot of needs??
He'll definitely be swimming uphill. Said the other day that I'm not even sure why he took this job knowing it was in the shape it was. Vinny's stench is still haunting this team via capgate. Mike is basically going to have to hit homeruns on all the draft picks this upcoming off-season. He also didn't do himself any favors with the poor FA moves/trades. (McNabb/Brown/Jackson/Meriweather/Morgan)




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Old 11-10-2012, 10:47 PM   #1188
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Fire Mike Shanahan. Promote Kyle. That would be my dream scenario. Since we probably can't keep Kyle if we fire his dad, hire Gruden as HC but don't give him final say over personnel.
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Old 11-10-2012, 10:58 PM   #1189
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Shanahan is lucky RGIII is here, even though he (RGIII) feels that they (Shanahan's) don't trust him. Players already said **** Shanahan, but keep playing cause RGIII won't quit. Without RGIII, this would be BAD right now.

Dan won't fire Shanny though.
I love wherr people get this kind of intel. Its like they are in the locker room.


Once upon a time......Shanahan was asked to coach and take over a glorious franchise in which he was offered all of king midus gold just to turn it around. In which he did, and all the people rejoiced right before they all died of small pocs. Them Shanahan had tea with his leader and they spoke of the glory days.

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Old 11-10-2012, 11:41 PM   #1190
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I love wherr people get this kind of intel. Its like they are in the locker room.


You know what? It is fun making up stories
I generally agree with you on these types of things, but this one happens to be true.
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Old 11-11-2012, 12:26 AM   #1192
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That it is. Especially with has-been coaches.
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Old 11-11-2012, 12:46 AM   #1193
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That it is. Especially with has-been coaches.
You have someone to take his place? Bring in 3-4 more O-line to change the scheme with, and so fourth? Let's here it.
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Old 11-11-2012, 02:53 AM   #1194
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Unfortunately no because Shanahan had to play with fire and get a huge cap hit. That's why next season will be no different than this year. AKA. Can his ass now. Get someone in here to put their scheme together, and go from there.

A big help for the 3-4 would stop bringing in 4-3 players to play a position they have no business in. Oh how much common sense would fix a fair amount of our problems. That's too easy for Shanahan though because he has to let his pride get in the way.
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Unfortunately no because Shanahan had to play with fire and get a huge cap hit. That's why next season will be no different than this year. AKA. Can his ass now. Get someone in here to put their scheme together, and go from there.

A big help for the 3-4 would stop bringing in 4-3 players to play a position they have no business in. Oh how much common sense would fix a fair amount of our problems. That's too easy for Shanahan though because he has to let his pride get in the way.
Wait.. So you're saying it's Shanahan's fault we took a big cap hit, and that we should bring someone else in because he should of known better?

What players were brought in that can't handle the 3-4 at the moment? I'm just wondering if you actually believe what you are saying or even know what you are saying or maybe you're just shooting fireballs out of your ass.

You shouldn't listen to all the hear say and believe it. Shanahan needs to improve to stay here, but he's doing no worse if not better then what the Redskins are use to in the past 2 decades. Is that to say it's acceptable? No, it isn't but the players are young and I think it's to early to say.. Well, they are not going to mesh or do well.

This is what a revamped roster in two years of off season building looks like. I just think it's unfair to throw stones at a guy who came in on day one and said it would take 5 years to turn things around. He's in 2.5 at the moment..

Of course this is Washington and the Colts are 6-3, so we should be too. Right?
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He has full control doesn't he? Then yes, he's the reason. He has the final say and didn't stop anyone. Whether there's collusion involved or something more, the truth of the matter is, something was said and only us and a few others decided to test things.

Bowen and Cofield are two players who have no business being in the 3-4 IMO. I'm not even sure that they belong as backups. Ryan Kerrigan for the most part hasn't been all that impressive, nor has Jenkins who some argued could be a starter.

In the past 20 years, the Washington Redskins have been worse than 6-10 (Shanahan's best record) six times (one of which has happened under Shanahan, 5-11). Shanahan, if he's lucky, will end up 4-12 which will be one win better than the worst of 3-13, but that's not to say Shanahan can't go 3-13 this season.

I'll give him the first two years as they were the major parts of a rebuild, but for a man who claimed QB was really the last major missing piece, that sure has changed drastically. Yes injuries don't help, but you build with quality depth, something the Redskins lack in all compartments.

Hopefully the rookies can come through, but let's be honest, they need time to groom, they can't be thrown into the mix day one and expect to perform.

Not to mention using your teams strengths. Seems like they still fail to realize they need the offense to score in order to win. This is an offense who even without Garcon and Davis can put up at least 30+, yet the play calling keeps holding them back.

Should we be 6-3, I don't know, but we shouldn't be worse than teams like Minnesota, Tampa Bay and Indianapolis who are in their first and second year of rebuilds, meanwhile we should be just about finished with ours.
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Let's just finish a season without any drama for once... Oh wait the redskins can't do that.
This is hard to do when you have seven starters out for the year with injuries. This is also hard to do when your secondary can't stop anyone in the NFL from attaining long gains through the air. This is also hard to do when your head coach insists perpetually that this team is better when it isn't. This is also hard to do when the offense keeps producing enough points to win games but yet your defense can't stop the opposing offense and ends up giving games away time and time again after the offense puts you in position for a win. This hard to do when the Redskins fans know in their hearts that the Redskins are just as good as any other NFL team but fails to show it. This is hard to do when you know the Redskins should be in the division lead and they're not.
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Pains me to say it, but Tripp probably had a good point earlier in this thread. Either you move on from Shanahan now or you commit to him for more than the two years he's got remaining (and perhaps Kyle as well)

Because what's the point then of Mike publicly stating it's a 3 year process for Griff when he'll only be here 2 more years himself?
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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;963021]Pains me to say it, but Tripp probably had a good point earlier in this thread. Either you move on from Shanahan now or you commit to him for more than the two years he's got remaining (and perhaps Kyle as well)

Because what's the point then of Mike publicly stating it's a 3 year process for Griff when he'll only be here 2 more years himself?[/QUOTE]

Did he say that? That just sounds like a coach trying to buy himself more time to me
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That it is. Especially with has-been coaches.
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