Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

punch it in

lmao - cant believe you had an obscure cosby show scene on hand for that.

Im going to go out on a limb here and say that if one of us had posted exactly what HTTR 24-7 had (because I believe we have), that NC skins reply would not have been "please rant" and "i agree" - not by a mile.

There is now someone who is alittle more respected as an "in the know" guy (and for good reason), than us "haters" and he is bringing some credibility to what we have been saying. Bottom line is we have been saying the same thing.

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NC_Skins

You see what you want to see. I've pointed out quite a few mistakes that Mike has made, yet they go unnoticed to you. Disagree with a point you Shanny haters make and all of a sudden you are a apologist.

I don't think he'll end up succeeding here because I believe his hole was too deep to start with, not because he's a has been or incapable. Couple that with some of mistakes (Haslett/McNabb/Brown) he made at the beginning and it may very well end up doing him in. That said, I'm not wanting him fired.


The difference between me and you guys is, you expect a complete turnaround within 3 years or fire the guy. It's the same mentality that Dan Snyder has, and the same mentality that has caused this franchise to be abysmal the past decade. None of you have still showed me where a person has taken a team as dreadful as ours, and turned it into a consistent contender. Key word here is consistent. I don't want one year of 11-5. I want 10+ wins on a consistent basis, with 10 being a "down" year.

You don't correct 15+ years of horrible mismanagement in 2-1/2 years. You also can't compare us to other people. Each situation is different, and what works for one franchise, may not work for us.

Also, you fail to take into consideration a multitude of factors.

1) Restricted free agency his first year here. Nobody worth a damn on market

2) Lockout. Shortened FA period coupled with a 36 million cap hit hours before FA starts.

3) Injuries to key players and starters. (not backups or scrubs)

4) Inherited one of the oldest teams in the NFL with absolutely NO depth or no youth.


That is what I call a decked stacked against you. Sure, you think some brilliant guy could have came in and done this with all this against him, but why do you think Gruden and many other coaches said no to us? Because it was a god awful situation and they KNEW they wouldn't be able to turn it around before fans like yourself started calling for their head. I'm still shocked Mike agreed to coach this garbage pale that Vinny and Gibbs left him.

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punch it in

Fair enough - I dont think any of us would argue that he inherited a shit show.
Funny how you are labeled a "hater" when you are displeased with the win total going down - nobody expected a complete turnaround, a superbowl, or deep playoff runs. We simple expected a better product than what we have at year three - and it sounds like you expected the same.

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EARTHQUAKE2689

You just love that reference don't you?

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This is why you need Mentos. To justify your questionable problem solving skills.

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SmootSmack

It's my go to. I have others but I think that one best captures why some posters here are better than others even if the message is the same

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"Coaches who can outline plays on a black board are a dime a dozen. The ones who win get inside their player and motivate." Vince Lombardi

The Goat

More like timing there buddy boy. Some of us saw things clearly way earlier, that's all. It would have taken just one "authority" figure on TWP to stop the nonsensical defending of this regime, but you all chose to keep up the charade. Can't put that on anybody else.

To his credit Tripp saw it first, or at least said so first.

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NC_Skins

No, you were illogical with most of your rants about Shanahan. Negating his success in Denver to "Elway's doing", not crediting him with anything beyond drafting RGIII. You criticize the speed of a Garcon, yet thought he should have resigned Gaffney and brought in Plaxico Burress.

Most of your "things" you saw earlier still aren't correct and are invalid. Shanhan has made his mistakes, just not the ones you think he has.

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"So let me get this straight. We have the event of the year on TV with millions watching around the world... and people want a punt, pass, and kick competition to be the halftime entertainment?? Folks, don't quit your day jobs."- Matty

REDSKINS4ever

Despite the success of the passing offense, I didn't agree with the decision to keep Aldrick Robinson over Anthony Armstrong. Very stupid choice. Armstrong was clearly the better wide receiver while Robinson has dropped many passes this year that Armstrong would have pulled in.

NC_Skins

They fact that Armstrong hasn't stuck on a team yet validates Mike's move. I think he kept Robinson due to the upside as compared to AA. Also, it had been said a few times that AA was having troubles getting off the line cleanly.

I personally don't think it mattered that much which one of them he kept, they are both backups as far as I'm concerned.

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12thMan

Haven't waded through all the pages, but anyone making an argument that Shanny is anything but a mediocre head coach, doesn't have the stats to back it up. Furthermore, outside of a handful of draft picks the team's talent level is very underwhelming. Outside of Kerrigan, who's been so so this season, and maybe Rak when he returns next season, there's not one single player this team can't live without.

I don't know if Shanny should be fired, but I'm very reluctant to say he's the coach of the future.

Hog1

Well....he's available as the Jags cut him. Soooo apparently he did not impress them either.
Jaguars sign LB Greg Jones, cut WR Anthony Armstrong - Big Cat Country

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SmootSmack

Buddy boy? You make some decent points in your posts. And then you come up with such idiocies as "Mike Shanahan had the benefit of playing in the easy AFC" followed by "Jeff Fisher is so awesome. He's been an amazing coach in the (suddenly powerful) AFC" or "Mike Shanahan is a has been who hasn't won in forever" followed by "I certainly wouldn't say no if Bill Cowher called"

That is why people say you hate just to hate.

You have this ridiculous assumption that the "authority" figures (I'm guessing you mean the mods) all agree on everything and I guess supress the voice of the "opposition" You couldn't be more wrong. You know's who long been an anti-Shanahan (particularly Kyle) guy. GMScud (not to drag you into this G) but that didn't stop me from suggesting he be our new moderator or the rest of the mods unanimously voting him in.

It's no wonder so many people have started ignoring you.

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