Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

12thMan · 11-13-2012, 03:51 PM

Was just thinking, two of the last three Redskins head coaches came out of retirement to coach the Skins. The third guy is a journeyman QB coach on his third or fourth NFL team. (Chiefs)

Mattyk · 11-13-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

Just don't try to make the "presentation" argument. I'm an unapologetic a$$hole and once it was obvious didn't hold back about calling this regime the joke it is, but there were plenty of folks around here offering perfectly polite analysis of how bad Mike and Co have been. Had nothing to do with lack of reasoned arguments, approach, etc. Had everything to do with the mods seemingly endless efforts to makes excuses for the regime and diminish the skeptics and their posts. Some of the skeptics just left the conversation, I didn't.

Again, trying to put it on presentation is just dishonest.

Edit: I think mods can forget how much their insertion of opinion, however inconsistent with reality, influences discussion etc etc. You have sycophants, toadies and bootlickers like NC who can't help themselves from agreeing with people of authority. That's an extreme case, but there's probably some reasonable, thoughtful Skins fans who just avoid discussion here because at times it's been more about rooting for a failed regime than a franchise.

Sorry but you couldn't be more wrong.

You seem to hold being a moderator in an oddly high regard. We're just here to keep the discussions flowing and keep the spammers, assholes and trolls out. That's it. Our opinions aren't some sort of calculated mass conspiracy. Nor should they be held in any higher regard than anyone else's.

Funny you bring up people avoiding discussion, because I know plenty that have recently and it's not because of why you seem to think.

It's quite comical how you see things really.

Paranoid much?

Mattyk · 11-13-2012, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by punch it in

Thanks for clearing that up.
I didnt last very long on ES. Lol.
This whole LL thing started by Joe Redskins question "who is he"? Have been so confusing to me. Especially woth laron landry and lance lewis floating around. Lol think i got it now.

Why is that?

JoeRedskin · 11-13-2012, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Buddy boy? You make some decent points in your posts. And then you come up with such idiocies as "Mike Shanahan had the benefit of playing in the easy AFC" followed by "Jeff Fisher is so awesome. He's been an amazing coach in the (suddenly powerful) AFC" or "Mike Shanahan is a has been who hasn't won in forever" followed by "I certainly wouldn't say no if Bill Cowher called"

That is why people say you hate just to hate. ...

It's no wonder so many people have started ignoring you.

and, yet, you ... keep ... quoting ... him!!!

SmootSmack · 11-13-2012, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

and, yet, you ... keep ... quoting ... him!!!

Mod fail. Sorry

Hog1 · 11-13-2012, 04:34 PM

Smells like.....conspiracy, Comrade....

JoeRedskin · 11-13-2012, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

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Originally Posted by Goat

... Edit: I think mods can forget how much their insertion of opinion, however inconsistent with reality, influences discussion etc etc. You have sycophants, toadies and bootlickers like NC who can't help themselves from agreeing with people of authority. That's an extreme case, but there's probably some reasonable, thoughtful Skins fans who just avoid discussion here because at times it's been more about rooting for a failed regime than a franchise.Sorry but you couldn't be more wrong.

... Funny you bring up people avoiding discussion, because I know plenty that have recently and it's not because of why you seem to think.

1. NC is many things, a "sycophant, toadie or bootlicker" who can't help himself "from agreeing with people in authority" is not one of them. You're arrogance is mind boggling.

2. I, among others I am sure, have been avoiding this discussion b/c this horse has been beaten to death, turned into dogfood, fed to the dog, sh** back out, used as manure to grow hay which was fed to the previous horse's colt which in turn was beaten to death, turned into dogfood ...

At this point, this thread is essentially a never ending rant by Shanny haters. It is fun to visit to watch their frustration.

3. I can't believe I quoted and responded, to a Goat Quote. May God have mercy on my soul.

53Fan · 11-13-2012, 04:46 PM

I didn't particulary like Shanahan when we brought him here. It's pretty easy to check. But I was happy as hell Vinny was gone and we had a real GM. I was willing to give him a chance and changed my sig to reflect it. I've been excited at times. Especially about RG3. But now I think the flaws are coming out and the things I didn't like about Mike then are the same they are now. He's the same guy they got rid of in Denver. I think we are better off in some areas since he got here and would now like to see what a new offensive minded young HC and an experienced motivated (unlike Haslett) young DC could do. If we're sticking with the 3-4 than get an experienced 3-4 coach. I haven't researched guys but there is certainly some talent out there. I had no idea who Mike Smith was until he became coach of the Falcons. Mike's gonna be what he was...he lost his team his owner his defenses the last years sucked and we've all heard the micromanaging egomaniac stories. We have a GM and some young talent and probably the best QB or one of the best in the NFL. Thanks Mike for helping to clean house. Let's move on now.

los panda · 11-13-2012, 04:47 PM

craving some dog food

punch it in · 11-13-2012, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Why is that?

Well several years ago i went on. Didnt really post that much but noticed a couple mods were just ruthless. Some other poster said something to that effect. I replied something to the effect of - yeah they're rough around here and they gave me a peahead. That made me angry i used rude language basically inviting the boot and got it. Was alittle to lacking of the constitutional rites for me.
Than i went back on a few months ago and there were a couple of posters who would strait up call you a dumb mother****er for a view or opinion. I never once used inappropriate language just responded to the guy to relax. Another poster in boxed me and said " hey i hear you he is an asshole but dont say anything hes got pull". I figured that if i couldnt express or defend myself it wasnt a board i wAnted to be on. Than i literally got booted off for not wishing devin thomas good luck when he retired. Lol. I swear to God that is basically how it went down. One of the mods checked my ip address or sonething and figured out i got the peahead and booted off before. I was banned for life at that point.

JoeRedskin · 11-13-2012, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 53Fan

I didn't particulary like Shanahan when we brought him here. It's pretty easy to check. But I was happy as hell Vinny was gone and we had a real GM. I was willing to give him a chance and changed my sig to reflect it. I've been excited at times. Especially about RG3. But now I think the flaws are coming out and the things I didn't like about Mike then are the same they are now. He's the same guy they got rid of in Denver. I think we are better off in some areas since he got here and would now like to see what a new offensive minded young HC and an experienced motivated (unlike Haslett) young DC could do. If we're sticking with the 3-4 than get an experienced 3-4 coach. I haven't researched guys but there is certainly some talent out there. I had no idea who Mike Smith was until he became coach of the Falcons. Mike's gonna be what he was...he lost his team his owner his defenses the last years sucked and we've all heard the micromanaging egomaniac stories. We have a GM and some young talent and probably the best QB or one of the best in the NFL. Thanks Mike for helping to clean house. Let's move on now.

First, well said. I agree with almost all of this post - except I am not ready to jettison MS and start from ground zero again unless we end up with 5 or fewer wins this year.

Let's see how he finishes out the year. At this point, based on what some of the insider's have said, it seems that MS may have lost much of the team. Certainly Haslett appears to have lost the D. If we have a collapse, no turnaround whatsoever, I think it is a legitimate conversation to ask okay, not seeing it Mike. If on the other hand, he pulls it out and we finish in 7-9 or 8-8, I got no problem with giving him one or possibly two more years (depending on next year).

53Fan · 11-13-2012, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

1. NC is many things, a "sycophant, toadie or bootlicker" who can't help himself "from agreeing with people in authority" is not one of them. You're arrogance is mind boggling.

2. I, among others I am sure, have been avoiding this discussion b/c this horse has been beaten to death, turned into dogfood, fed to the dog, sh** back out, used as manure to grow hay which was fed to the previous horse's colt which in turn was beaten to death, turned into dogfood ...

At this point, this thread is essentially a never ending rant by Shanny haters. It is fun to visit to watch their frustration.

3. I can't believe I quoted and responded, to a Goat Quote. May God have mercy on my soul.

A "Goat Quote". I think we have a new catch phase!

punch it in · 11-13-2012, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

1. NC is many things, a "sycophant, toadie or bootlicker" who can't help himself "from agreeing with people in authority" is not one of them. You're arrogance is mind boggling.

2. I, among others I am sure, have been avoiding this discussion b/c this horse has been beaten to death, turned into dogfood, fed to the dog, sh** back out, used as manure to grow hay which was fed to the previous horse's colt which in turn was beaten to death, turned into dogfood ...

At this point, this thread is essentially a never ending rant by Shanny haters. It is fun to visit to watch their frustration.

3. I can't believe I quoted and responded, to a Goat Quote. May God have mercy on my soul.

I think this thread has gone from absolutely ridiculous to sonething worth discussing and it has some people doubting what they were thinking about Shanny just three weeks ago. To say it is just for the bashers isnt fair - alot of defending in these parts. Its all just opinion on both sides of the fence. People are sick of the bashing. People are sick of the defense. Im glad that HTTR 24-7 interjected. Brings alittle bit of credibility to what was once considered angry rants of non-fans.
Edit: ridiculous to those who now see some merit in the question not me personally.

JoeRedskin · 11-13-2012, 05:01 PM

Punch ... do you feel obligated to respond to every post made by someone else? I am just curious what would happen if you had a thought you did not express - would the voices in your head drive you to kill? Root for the Cowboys? or would your brain actually explode?

I kid, I kid. It's all good. I just laugh everytime I look at your post count.

punch it in · 11-13-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Punch ... do you feel obligated to respond to every post made by someone else? I am just curious what would happen if you had a thought you did not express - would the voices in your head drive you to kill? Root for the Cowboys? or would your brain actually explode?

I kid, I kid. It's all good. I just laugh everytime I look at your post count.

In response to this i say:

I am on tapatalk usually. It is much easier to post in the same threads because there is a " participated threads " tab. So i tend to post in only about two or three seperate threads for long periods of time. I figure this gives plenty of room for people to not be annoyed by my post count and also allows me to quiet the voices in my head.
Edit: not to toot my own horn but i think sometimes i make some pretty good points, but instead of people saying - " i never thought about it that way" (even if they are thinking that) they say - your annoying thus leading to more posts from yours truely.

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11-13-2012, 03:51 PM	#1351
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,366	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? Was just thinking, two of the last three Redskins head coaches came out of retirement to coach the Skins. The third guy is a journeyman QB coach on his third or fourth NFL team. (Chiefs)

11-13-2012, 04:34 PM	#1356
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 8,413	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? Smells like.....conspiracy, Comrade.... __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... Win! Always win! By fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds... by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice... but always win--Edward Teach

11-13-2012, 04:46 PM	#1358
53Fan Pro Bowl Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,360	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? I didn't particulary like Shanahan when we brought him here. It's pretty easy to check. But I was happy as hell Vinny was gone and we had a real GM. I was willing to give him a chance and changed my sig to reflect it. I've been excited at times. Especially about RG3. But now I think the flaws are coming out and the things I didn't like about Mike then are the same they are now. He's the same guy they got rid of in Denver. I think we are better off in some areas since he got here and would now like to see what a new offensive minded young HC and an experienced motivated (unlike Haslett) young DC could do. If we're sticking with the 3-4 than get an experienced 3-4 coach. I haven't researched guys but there is certainly some talent out there. I had no idea who Mike Smith was until he became coach of the Falcons. Mike's gonna be what he was...he lost his team his owner his defenses the last years sucked and we've all heard the micromanaging egomaniac stories. We have a GM and some young talent and probably the best QB or one of the best in the NFL. Thanks Mike for helping to clean house. Let's move on now. __________________ "Cautiously And Optimistically... Looking Forward To Change"

11-13-2012, 04:47 PM	#1359
los panda Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: los angeles, ca Age: 28 Posts: 3,857	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? craving some dog food __________________ 7 9 21 28 33 42 43 44 49 65 70 81

11-13-2012, 05:01 PM	#1364
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 50 Posts: 7,214	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? Punch ... do you feel obligated to respond to every post made by someone else? I am just curious what would happen if you had a thought you did not express - would the voices in your head drive you to kill? Root for the Cowboys? or would your brain actually explode? I kid, I kid. It's all good. I just laugh everytime I look at your post count. __________________ My Little Pony: Friendship is magic? or ... a repressive matriarchal society where individuals' roles are defined by their immutable physical characteristics and governance is reserved for those who demonstrate the genetic purity of the pony master race?

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