Hey Ho, Haslett has to go! (or maybe not)

Chico23231 · 10-30-2012, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't really see Ron Rivera as an option for here, or Mangini (I actually hope he stays on TV, think he's really good there). But if we're going to with a fired/soon to be fired head coach, what about Romeo Crennel?

Crennel wouldnt be a bad choice imo.

SFREDSKIN · 10-30-2012, 10:32 AM

Emmitt Thomas is also available, age doesn't matter just look at LeBeau.

Coff · 10-30-2012, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

The similarities between this regime and the Cerrato/Zorn regime (if you could call it that) are pretty mind-blowing.

1) Big FA signings that don't make sense, and don't have any impact. Cerrato/Zorn became infamous for Fat Albert. BA/Shanny, on the other hand, signed a handful of players that altogether add up to more than the Haynesworth contract, and have made even less impact. The difference being this regime is given a pass by most of the fan base, at least up to this point.

2) Bizarre play-calling and play-design, that some try to explain as genius now, whereas Zorn took a ton of shit for it.

3) Poor discipline and preparation, as evidenced in two games already where players just lost it (St. Louis and Pittsburgh).

They're eerily similar side by side, but again this regime is constantly given the benefit of the doubt despite results as poor as Zorn achieved.

Interesting thoughts, but I'm going to have to bring up some counterpoints.

Numbers 1 and 3 have been pretty consistent for every coaching staff since Richie Petibon.

As for number 2, that has actually been a frequent criticism of the current coaching staff. Every time the Skins fail to convert a third down, the Warpath is replete with people blaming Kyle Shanahan. But the biggest issue is that while the criticism is as common of Kyle and Dad Shanahan as it was with Zorn, at least the Shannys are actually scoring. The Skins right now are 6th and 7th in the league in PPG and YPG, and that's with a depleted receiving corp and a shaky-at-best offensive line.

I may stand with the minority opinion here, but I think the Shanahans should be lauded for the offense they have put in place for RGIII. One thing's for sure, McNabb's comments that they are intractable when it comes to adjusting schemes to players has been very clearly proven wrong.

Coff · 10-30-2012, 11:13 AM

It's a good idea to wait until the off-season before firing Haslett. Look, right now the Skins are still developing under a new quarterback; contention and controversy in the middle of the season are just terrible distractions for a rookie QB and should be avoided. And what would be accomplished by firing Haslett? The Skins are not going to the playoffs regardless, and anyone who thinks so is delusional. So right now the Redskins have to go about business professionally and calmly. That means forging ahead and taking some lumps, a lot of lumps. But the manner in which an organization handles such difficult times is part of what determines the future organizational mentality and culture. The Redskins need to set a tone for Griffin, a tone that shows the team is committed but patience, thoughtful rather than reactionary, calculated but not hostile, productive rather than destructive. Let Haslett finish the season, allow him to leave with his dignity, and make the proper changes out from under the spotlight.

los panda · 10-30-2012, 11:15 AM

i'll do it, but i'm installing a 6-2 defense

SmootSmack · 10-30-2012, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Coff

I may stand with the minority opinion here, but I think the Shanahans should be lauded for the offense they have put in place for RGIII. One thing's for sure, McNabb's comments that they are intractable when it comes to adjusting schemes to players has been very clearly proven wrong.

Well I agree with you. And since I'm a moderator, you're wise to agree with me.

JoeRedskin · 10-30-2012, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Coff

Interesting thoughts, but I'm going to have to bring up some counterpoints.

Numbers 1 and 3 have been pretty consistent for every coaching staff since Richie Petibon.

As for number 2, that has actually been a frequent criticism of the current coaching staff. Every time the Skins fail to convert a third down, the Warpath is replete with people blaming Kyle Shanahan. But the biggest issue is that while the criticism is as common of Kyle and Dad Shanahan as it was with Zorn, at least the Shannys are actually scoring. The Skins right now are 6th and 7th in the league in PPG and YPG, and that's with a depleted receiving corp and a shaky-at-best offensive line.

I may stand with the minority opinion here, but I think the Shanahans should be lauded for the offense they have put in place for RGIII. One thing's for sure, McNabb's comments that they are intractable when it comes to adjusting schemes to players has been very clearly proven wrong.

Strong post. It's amazing that the server hasn't crashed due to such logical thinking.

KI Skins Fan · 10-30-2012, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think Haslett should get at least five years. It takes time to build a defense. Some of you bozos want to blow everything up because of three bad years. That's horrible! We've had no continuity in the coaching staff. Shanahan said it would take 5 years to rebuild. Lets wait until at least 2014, then revisit this.

You want Shanahan for 5 years? Fine. I get that. But for Haslett (or any other assistant coach) to also get 5 years is not necessary for the rebuild. Many assistants leave on their own for another job before they complete five years. In other words, it's normal to replace assistant coaches on a regular basis.

As for Haslett himself, I never liked him as a DC and I would have preferred that he not be hired by the Redskins in the first place. I think the man lacks creativity and is darn near counter-intuitive in calling defenses. I suspect that Shanahan could fire Haslett now and the defense might play a better game against Carolina under an interim coordinator.

hail_2_da_skins · 10-30-2012, 11:36 AM

I'm not a big fan of firing any coach mid-season. Let Haslett complete the season and then evaluate him them. If the team decides to go in another direction, they have all off-season to install a new defense. Mid-season is not the time to install a new defense.

los panda · 10-30-2012, 11:39 AM

stay the course w shanny.
abandon ship w haslett.

let the new defensive mind have time w shanny and allen before free agency and the draft.

hail_2_da_skins · 10-30-2012, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Goat

The similarities between this regime and the Cerrato/Zorn regime (if you could call it that) are pretty mind-blowing.

1) Big FA signings that don't make sense, and don't have any impact. Cerrato/Zorn became infamous for Fat Albert. BA/Shanny, on the other hand, signed a handful of players that altogether add up to more than the Haynesworth contract, and have made even less impact. The difference being this regime is given a pass by most of the fan base, at least up to this point.

2) Bizarre play-calling and play-design, that some try to explain as genius now, whereas Zorn took a ton of shit for it.

3) Poor discipline and preparation, as evidenced in two games already where players just lost it (St. Louis and Pittsburgh).

They're eerily similar side by side, but again this regime is constantly given the benefit of the doubt despite results as poor as Zorn achieved.

You are wrong on every point except for the poor discipline.

1) What big name free agent signings are you referring to? The Skins signed mid-range free agents that addressed specific needs. No high priced, under performing, washed up bums.
2) The bizarre play calling is putting up big points and is exciting to watch.
3) The blowup by Dante Hall and Josh Morgan throwing the ball at the defender were the worst cases of poor discipline. Hall most likely will be fined and/or suspended.

53Fan · 10-30-2012, 12:12 PM

I wish I could find the article I read about how we play the Steelers defense......but not the way they play it. They usually start out pretty basic and then bring on disquised blitzes etc. And they are very good at disquising what they're doing. With Hasletts defense they rarely fool anyone and without that our defense is pretty easy to read. The Steelers offense was a step or two ahead of us all day. Haslett may know the 3-4 but he definitely doesn't have the creativity to get the most out of it.

Chico23231 · 10-30-2012, 12:18 PM

We need a new DC, but switching back to a 4-3 would be another epic, set-the-franchise-back typical mistake. Id rather keep Haslett than switch back to 4-3.

53Fan · 10-30-2012, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

You are wrong on every point except for the poor discipline.

1) What big name free agent signings are you referring to? The Skins signed mid-range free agents that addressed specific needs. No high priced, under performing, washed up bums.
2) The bizarre play calling is putting up big points and is exciting to watch.
3) The blowup by Dante Hall and Josh Morgan throwing the ball at the defender were the worst cases of poor discipline. Hall most likely will be fined and/or suspended.

Well McNabb wasn't a FA....but he cost us a 3rd rd pick and it was pretty stupid. Not in hindsight either....that had dumbass written all over it the very day it happened.

skinsfan69 · 10-30-2012, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't really see Ron Rivera as an option for here, or Mangini (I actually hope he stays on TV, think he's really good there). But if we're going to with a fired/soon to be fired head coach, what about Romeo Crennel?

He's certainly a good coach, always liked Crennel and his players seem to respect him. He knows his stuff. However I'd prefer we go out and get a young guy and not a retread.

Mangini is great on tv, love listening to him. Does he even want to coach anymore?

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10-30-2012, 10:32 AM	#107
SFREDSKIN Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 6,501	re: Hey Ho, Haslett has to go! (or maybe not) Emmitt Thomas is also available, age doesn't matter just look at LeBeau. __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

10-30-2012, 11:13 AM	#109
Coff Impact Rookie Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Halfmoon, NY Posts: 504	re: Hey Ho, Haslett has to go! (or maybe not) It's a good idea to wait until the off-season before firing Haslett. Look, right now the Skins are still developing under a new quarterback; contention and controversy in the middle of the season are just terrible distractions for a rookie QB and should be avoided. And what would be accomplished by firing Haslett? The Skins are not going to the playoffs regardless, and anyone who thinks so is delusional. So right now the Redskins have to go about business professionally and calmly. That means forging ahead and taking some lumps, a lot of lumps. But the manner in which an organization handles such difficult times is part of what determines the future organizational mentality and culture. The Redskins need to set a tone for Griffin, a tone that shows the team is committed but patience, thoughtful rather than reactionary, calculated but not hostile, productive rather than destructive. Let Haslett finish the season, allow him to leave with his dignity, and make the proper changes out from under the spotlight.

10-30-2012, 11:15 AM	#110
los panda Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: los angeles, ca Age: 28 Posts: 3,849	re: Hey Ho, Haslett has to go! (or maybe not) i'll do it, but i'm installing a 6-2 defense __________________ 7 9 21 28 33 42 43 44 49 65 70 81

10-30-2012, 11:36 AM	#114
hail_2_da_skins Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 57 Posts: 862	re: Hey Ho, Haslett has to go! (or maybe not) I'm not a big fan of firing any coach mid-season. Let Haslett complete the season and then evaluate him them. If the team decides to go in another direction, they have all off-season to install a new defense. Mid-season is not the time to install a new defense. __________________ "HAIL TO THE SKINS"

10-30-2012, 11:39 AM	#115
los panda Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: los angeles, ca Age: 28 Posts: 3,849	re: Hey Ho, Haslett has to go! (or maybe not) stay the course w shanny. abandon ship w haslett. let the new defensive mind have time w shanny and allen before free agency and the draft. __________________ 7 9 21 28 33 42 43 44 49 65 70 81

10-30-2012, 12:12 PM	#117
53Fan Pro Bowl Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,354	re: Hey Ho, Haslett has to go! (or maybe not) I wish I could find the article I read about how we play the Steelers defense......but not the way they play it. They usually start out pretty basic and then bring on disquised blitzes etc. And they are very good at disquising what they're doing. With Hasletts defense they rarely fool anyone and without that our defense is pretty easy to read. The Steelers offense was a step or two ahead of us all day. Haslett may know the 3-4 but he definitely doesn't have the creativity to get the most out of it. __________________ "Cautiously And Optimistically... Looking Forward To Change"

10-30-2012, 12:18 PM	#118
Chico23231 Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 36 Posts: 7,774	re: Hey Ho, Haslett has to go! (or maybe not) We need a new DC, but switching back to a 4-3 would be another epic, set-the-franchise-back typical mistake. Id rather keep Haslett than switch back to 4-3. __________________ Ready for the Draft.

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