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Old 11-05-2012, 09:12 AM   #16
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Yeah, back off the ledge people. Allen and Shanahan have done a pretty good job of turning over Gibbs' absolutely dreadful roster. We're getting a few players under the age of 30 on the squad, and we're turning it around. It's going to take time to build quality depth and get the chemistry going. We've all seen how succesful changing coaches every three years can be. Give someone a chance to build a real team in DC.

We have a ways to go, but we don't have the depth to deal with injuries like the top tier teams. We lost our top WR, top TE, RT, Top pass rusher, and solid DL. Hard to keep going through that. We had holes before that, now we really have holes.
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Hey when yall mail things, who do you use? Fed Ex, UPS, or the post office? Ive found UPS usually does the best, but the flat rate boxes by the post office is tempting me
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:21 AM   #18
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Yeah, back off the ledge people. Allen and Shanahan have done a pretty good job of turning over Gibbs' absolutely dreadful roster. We're getting a few players under the age of 30 on the squad, and we're turning it around. It's going to take time to build quality depth and get the chemistry going. We've all seen how succesful changing coaches every three years can be. Give someone a chance to build a real team in DC.

We have a ways to go, but we don't have the depth to deal with injuries like the top tier teams. We lost our top WR, top TE, RT, Top pass rusher, and solid DL. Hard to keep going through that. We had holes before that, now we really have holes.
Good measured and rational post. What a novel concept!

Sure it's been disappointing this year but the guys haven't mailed it in. Our recent struggles are a result of a talent gap (largely depth related) in certain areas, some flawed defensive schemes and some unfortunate circumstances in the offseason. Especially against the Giants and Pittsburgh, we don't have the talent across the board to match up. Yesterday was a bad loss to a bad team that should resonate to those in charge that the roster is far from a finished product but to say the entire team outside of a select few has mailed it in isn't true.
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:26 AM   #19
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I won't say the players "mailed it in", but I will say they have lost confidence in the coaches and system. Also, our culture is one where failure/losing are acceptable. For example, penalties, dropped balls, missed assignments....nothing happens to any of these guys, no accountability. How do you enforce accountability when the OC (who has been bad for 3yrs.) has no concern for his job security?

Enough is enough. If I'm Snyder, I can get the same results for a whole hell of a lot less than $ 7M / yr.

On top of all this, the Shannys are stunting RG3's development. This gimmickly college read option BS isn't developing RG3 into a Brees or A. Rodgers type QB. RG3 is extremely bright and accurate, stop holding the young man back and let him play the NFL game....will his Comp % drop, yes. Will he be far better long term, absolutely.
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:26 AM   #20
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Its just as simple as this ^^^^^^^^^^^

Why the heck is anyone in here thinking we should be winning right now? RG3? give me a break! He is only part of the puzzle. Gotta have something to build around, now we do.

Sorry bro's, going to have to sit tight a while longer. Next year, "if" the draft and FA is executed optimally, and "if" we get our gems off IR, we will see a way different team.

It's NOT the coaching. It's years of mistakes by past regimes that will take time to sort out. Year 4-5 for Shanny.
Your saying we don't have talent and I agree but who's fault is that? Mike has been here three years now it's his fault
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:40 AM   #21
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I've yet to see any specific examples that point to players giving up. I think we have a solid locker room full of guys that care about playing hard and wouldn't do such a thing.

I think too often fans confuse losing with players not trying hard enough. I think we're just outgunned. Injuries have piled up and taken their toll on both sides of the ball.
The only example I saw of a player giving up is when the ref blew the whistle and our guys stoped on the play and the they turned around and gave Carolina the TD.
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I won't say the players "mailed it in", but I will say they have lost confidence in the coaches and system. Also, our culture is one where failure/losing are acceptable. For example, penalties, dropped balls, missed assignments....nothing happens to any of these guys, no accountability. How do you enforce accountability when the OC (who has been bad for 3yrs.) has no concern for his job security?

Enough is enough. If I'm Snyder, I can get the same results for a whole hell of a lot less than $ 7M / yr.

On top of all this, the Shannys are stunting RG3's development. This gimmickly college read option BS isn't developing RG3 into a Brees or A. Rodgers type QB. RG3 is extremely bright and accurate, stop holding the young man back and let him play the NFL game....will his Comp % drop, yes. Will he be far better long term, absolutely.
Wait, really? Stunting his development? The guy has been UNIVERSALLY praised for his ability to this point in the passing game including reading defenses and making tough throws but he's being stunted in his development? While I will agree with you somewhat about the volume of read option that is our playbook, it's been damn effective, even against the top defenses we've faced.

If Garçon and Davis were both healthy, I think we'd see a slightly more traditional offense but dropping back and expecting Hankerson, Robinson and Paulsen to consistently win their matchups and develop a passing rhythm is a recipe for getting RG3 killed in the pocket.
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The only example I saw of a player giving up is when the ref blew the whistle and our guys stoped on the play and the they turned around and gave Carolina the TD.
Yeah and that's not the type of giving up we're talking about obviously. The refs really blew that call. Once the whistle blows the play is supposed to be dead. That was a replacement refs type of call.
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Dan Snyder's last football decision was to get rid of Cerratto and hire Bruce Allen who hired Mike Shanahan and who has the power to fire Mike Shanahan. But Bruce Allen won't do it. Allen is the one who fired Zorn after Zorn went 12-20. Now Shanahan has won 24 games and has lost 27. But I doubt if Bruce Allen fires him.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:44 AM   #25
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I don't think anybody is mailing it in, but it's obvious the defensive players either don't believe in the system (haslett doesn't so not sure why they would) or just simply that terrible. Don't think they've been the same since Cruz put that dagger in their hearts.
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Wait, really? Stunting his development? The guy has been UNIVERSALLY praised for his ability to this point in the passing game including reading defenses and making tough throws but he's being stunted in his development? While I will agree with you somewhat about the volume of read option that is our playbook, it's been damn effective, even against the top defenses we've faced.

If Garçon and Davis were both healthy, I think we'd see a slightly more traditional offense but dropping back and expecting Hankerson, Robinson and Paulsen to consistently win their matchups and develop a passing rhythm is a recipe for getting RG3 killed in the pocket.
This is my point, RG3 isn't Cam or Vick, he's got the ability in the passing game that's on par with Luck and will develop into a Brees/Rogers/S. Young type QB....if given the chance. I haven't been doing the DVR and going back over the games play-by-play or invested in the all-22, but the only time KS is opening up the offense is when we're behind and he has to.

I don't mind the RO every once in a while, but let RG3 work out of gun in a traditional NFL passing O more. Our WRs are good enough to get open vs. Zone and are good enough to beat press. Especially with MS throwing in the towel on the season, open the O up and let RG3 learn.
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Just read where the Redskins had homecoming celebration and homecoming written on the programs at the stadium. The Panthers were pizzed and highly motivated said one Panther player
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Just read where the Redskins had homecoming celebration and homecoming written on the programs at the stadium. The Panthers were pizzed and highly motivated said one Panther player
The whole nation saw who the homecoming beeetches were. Didnt know it was a nationally televised game til this morning. Embarrassing. "You are what you record says you are"- Bill Parcells. And i cant stand him but he's right about that!!!!
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This is my point, RG3 isn't Cam or Vick, he's got the ability in the passing game that's on par with Luck and will develop into a Brees/Rogers/S. Young type QB....if given the chance. I haven't been doing the DVR and going back over the games play-by-play or invested in the all-22, but the only time KS is opening up the offense is when we're behind and he has to.

I don't mind the RO every once in a while, but let RG3 work out of gun in a traditional NFL passing O more. Our WRs are good enough to get open vs. Zone and are good enough to beat press. Especially with MS throwing in the towel on the season, open the O up and let RG3 learn.
I guess this is where we disagree then. I don't think with our current crop of WR/TE we can have an effective traditional passing game yet. We are still trying to move the ball and score and the current 'gimmick' offense is accomplishing that task. 9 games into his career, I don't think any damage has been done to his learning curve. If this is our entire offense at this point next year, I'll be saying the same things you are but I think it's a little early and with the injuries to Garçon and Davis, difficult to expect much from a traditional offense.
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Just read where the Redskins had homecoming celebration and homecoming written on the programs at the stadium. The Panthers were pizzed and highly motivated said one Panther player
If an NFL player or team needs or gains motivation from a game program or promotion, that says far more about them than it does us.
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