Has the team mailed it in? (If so, why?)

Swarley · 11-05-2012, 03:32 PM

The thing that get's me is that the majority of people were predicting right around or under .500 and the most optimistic had us at most 1 game or two over. If we have such modest expectations before the season starts then why is that the second the ball is kicked off we flip a s**t when we see that our team is struggling. Rookie QB, in general a young team, a new developing offensive scheme(!), and dealing with several big injuries on both sides of the ball.

Paintrain · 11-05-2012, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Swarley

The thing that get's me is that the majority of people were predicting right around or under .500 and the most optimistic had us at most 1 game or two over. If we have such modest expectations before the season starts then why is that the second the ball is kicked off we flip a s**t when we see that our team is struggling. Rookie QB, in general a young team, a new developing offensive scheme(!), and dealing with several big injuries on both sides of the ball.

Because being frustrated at a consistently losing program, many 'fans' don't comprehend how hard it is to win at the NFL level and expect/demand immediate results.

Now the counter argument will be 3 years is plenty of time and there is some merit to that. The program should be a little further along than it is. But I wonder what the conversation would be if Morgan goes for the first down rather than towards the sideline to tangle with Finnegan vs. the Rams, 2 bad penalties aren't called in the final seconds of the Bengals game as we're driving, Madieu Williams plays his position correctly vs. Victor Cruz.. With the exception of the Steelers game, despite all of the penalties, the injuries, the turnovers, a rookie QB, etc. each game has been a one possession game that we had a chance to win.

People are acting like we are getting blown out the stadium every week. Our record sucks but those who can't see the signs that we are better in 2012 than we were in 2009, 2010 and 2011 simply aren't watching.

Lotus · 11-05-2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Swarley

The thing that get's me is that the majority of people were predicting right around or under .500 and the most optimistic had us at most 1 game or two over. If we have such modest expectations before the season starts then why is that the second the ball is kicked off we flip a s**t when we see that our team is struggling. Rookie QB, in general a young team, a new developing offensive scheme(!), and dealing with several big injuries on both sides of the ball.

I understand your point and have thought that way most of the season. However, the last two weeks we've looked worse, not better.

We have to go 5-2 just to finish 8-8. That's a problem.

Mattyk · 11-05-2012, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

They didn't mail it in, but I believe they aren't as good as they appear to be.

Mind you, LL is pretty smart about this things and does break down game film. Also one of the ES insiders that has the scoop on the behind the scenes. When he says this, I tend to believe it.

LL ‏@HTTR24_7

Bothers me that 2 1/2 years in #Redskins can't run their base offense due to issues on the OL.. No excuse for that Imo.

LL ‏@HTTR24_7

Offense has to work on smoke and mirrors due to Oline. RT and LG not getting it done consistently enough

It would answer the question as to why we haven't run our normal offense for the most part.

What is our "normal" offense though?

With RG3 it's clearly based on the zone read option, and throwing off the play action.

I think the offense this year is partly based on some of our deficiencies at OL, but also it plays to the strengths of RG3.

Swarley · 11-05-2012, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

I understand your point and have thought that way most of the season. However, the last two weeks we've looked worse, not better.

We have to go 5-2 just to finish 8-8. That's a problem.

I understand and agree with that but it's also only 2 games. If you have modest expectations you need to factor in some regression during the season as well as progress. If we come out and look good the next two weeks after the bye and win both games do we all of a sudden think we're headed to a 10-6 record? Or do we instead realize that as a young developing team that is dealing with injuries we will probably have some more downs to go with our ups?

SmootSmack · 11-05-2012, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Swarley

I understand and agree with that but it's also only 2 games. If you have modest expectations you need to factor in some regression during the season as well as progress. If we come out and look good the next two weeks after the bye and win both games do we all of a sudden think we're headed to a 10-6 record? Or do we instead realize that as a young developing team that is dealing with injuries we will probably have some more downs to go with our ups?

I agree with this...therefore THIS IS THE GREATEST POST EVER. YOU ARE SO BRILLIANT!!!!!!

Slingin Sammy 33 · 11-05-2012, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

Now the counter argument will be 3 years is plenty of time and there is some merit to that. The program should be a little further along than it is. But I wonder what the conversation would be if Morgan goes for the first down rather than towards the sideline to tangle with Finnegan vs. the Rams, 2 bad penalties aren't called in the final seconds of the Bengals game as we're driving, Madieu Williams plays his position correctly vs. Victor Cruz.. With the exception of the Steelers game, despite all of the penalties, the injuries, the turnovers, a rookie QB, etc. each game has been a one possession game that we had a chance to win.

Fundamental problems with FO & Coaching still exist and would manifest throughout the season, even if we get a couple plays to go our way.

However, the Morgan play would've only set up a very long field goal. It also goes back to the problem of lack of discipline. M. Williams, again lack of fundamental assignment responsibility/lack of discipline. 3-6 or 4-5, still same problems.

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People are acting like we are getting blown out the stadium every week. Our record sucks but those who can't see the signs that we are better in 2012 than we were in 2009, 2010 and 2011 simply aren't watching.

I would point to this link, we're not markedly better other than shifting O & D rankings due to a QB who can play vs. the crap we fielded in 2009-11.

Based on Simple Rating System, we're right where we've been since 2009. And based on our remaining schedule, we'll be lucky to finish 6-10. Please let me know another team that would keep a coach 4 years in with a winning % below .350.

There is no reason for optimism other than RG3 with this current regime in place. What makes you think they'll magically get better at personnel decisions, or in-game play-calling, or improve discipline? How many times do you think that Read-option will work until someone decides, yardage be damned, they're going to take RG3's head off every play.

How does the current regime solve the mess they created in one off-season:
- no CBs on roster who are a # 1 or #2
- Two safeties that will be a year removed from in-game NFL action.
- Fletcher aging and likely only 1 more year
- Gaping hole at RT, mediocre interior OL, and LT that struggles with elite DE/pass-rushing LBs (JPP, Ware, etc.)
- WRs that can't catch, Moss slowing down, Garcon coming off foot injury that may slow him down.

Washington Redskins Team Encyclopedia - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Swarley · 11-05-2012, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I agree with this...therefore THIS IS THE GREATEST POST EVER. YOU ARE SO BRILLIANT!!!!!!

We've been seeing way to much of that lately huh

The Goat · 11-05-2012, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Thanks GOAT, you've been banging the drum quite effectively too.

It's not a mater of being right or wrong, we just want to see an improved product...and outside of Gibbs in 2005 & 2007, we haven't seen it in 20 years. We see glimpses, try to be optimistic, gain hope, only to have those hopes dashed by this time every year. Why should Snyder spend $ 7M / yr. for piss-poor results. I'll say it with 100% confidence, if Snyder made me HC, I would do no worse and for a hell of alot cheaper than what's going on now.

You are what you're record says you are.....and Shanny's ain't very good.

Word. I think all of Redskins nation wanted Mike and his regime to succeed, and even at the beginning of this season I had the highest hopes we'd see improvement.

Not to nitpick but I'm not The GOAT (as in greatest of all time), I'm The Goat because way back in college friends called me goat because I ate everything in sight lol

WaldSkins · 11-05-2012, 05:15 PM

Atleast if we lose out, we will have a good shot at the number 1 pick...

los panda · 11-05-2012, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Atleast if we lose out, we will have a good shot at the number 1 pick...

you mean the rams will

punch it in · 11-05-2012, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucket

We had Jim Zorn for that.

But he made awesome funny faces.
:cheeky-sm

Goat - I dont think they are mailing it in, I think they just arent good enough. We can go up and down the roster, and the talent just isnt spread far enough. RG-3, ALMO, TW, a handful of injured guys, Forbath - money with the FG's. A few others.
WR - ehhh
O-line - been exposed last couple weeks - they were playing above their heads and now they are being exposed.
Secondary - do I need to even discuss that.
Dline - ehhhh
Riley/Fletcher - ehhhhh
I would like to believe that you could light a candle under this teams ass and it will respond - and its that easy. But Im afraid motivation only means so much - at some point you have to be better than the guy across from you.
We just arent good enough.

punch it in · 11-05-2012, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 44ever

This is the same Redskins team that beat the Saints right? What has changed?

Nothing except that in Week one we thought the Saints were good. They are 2-6.

Hdf561 · 11-05-2012, 09:16 PM

I don't think anyone has mailed it in but it is past time to realize that we are it that good, where not that good last year, and haven't been good in the past decade with the exception of a few playoff appearances where we were just window dressings and never a factor.

We are several players away from being contenders even in our own division. Is shanty the answer I honestly do not know anymore, I thought he was but I have seen nothing to convince me he can coach this team up, and make solid player evals.

Ill never be done as a fan but I have zero hope at this point for this or next season.

punch it in · 11-05-2012, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Your saying we don't have talent and I agree but who's fault is that? Mike has been here three years now it's his fault

Once you realize Shanny is not the guy it all becomes so obvious doesnt it? The excuses start to melt away and nothing is left but cold hard facts.

11-05-2012, 03:32 PM	#61
Swarley The Starter Join Date: Jan 2006 Age: 24 Posts: 1,035	Re: Has the team mailed it in? (If so, why?) The thing that get's me is that the majority of people were predicting right around or under .500 and the most optimistic had us at most 1 game or two over. If we have such modest expectations before the season starts then why is that the second the ball is kicked off we flip a s**t when we see that our team is struggling. Rookie QB, in general a young team, a new developing offensive scheme(!), and dealing with several big injuries on both sides of the ball. __________________ doing it all in the spirit of the salary cap!

11-05-2012, 05:15 PM	#70
WaldSkins Playmaker Join Date: May 2007 Location: Harrisburg, PA Age: 29 Posts: 2,714	Re: Has the team mailed it in? (If so, why?) Atleast if we lose out, we will have a good shot at the number 1 pick... __________________ "I would change that around, Jesus isn't Cutler. I guarantee you Jesus couldnt thread the ball like Jay does."-Monksdown

11-05-2012, 09:16 PM	#74
Hdf561 Camp Scrub Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Mechanicsville VA Posts: 46	Re: Has the team mailed it in? (If so, why?) I don't think anyone has mailed it in but it is past time to realize that we are it that good, where not that good last year, and haven't been good in the past decade with the exception of a few playoff appearances where we were just window dressings and never a factor. We are several players away from being contenders even in our own division. Is shanty the answer I honestly do not know anymore, I thought he was but I have seen nothing to convince me he can coach this team up, and make solid player evals. Ill never be done as a fan but I have zero hope at this point for this or next season.

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