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Old 11-08-2012, 08:26 AM   #31
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I don't agree with his punk antics but Hall is not the worst corner in the league. He has trouble on crossing routes, but most db's do. Id take him on a go rt vs Megatron over a whole bunch of others in the NFL. Oh and btw his ass is on the field every Sunday!! That's right he actually fn plays hard and don't get hurt ever damn year. Hell we got idiots that cant even get out of their own way during pre-game warm ups.
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I don't agree with his punk antics but Hall is not the worst corner in the league. He has trouble on crossing routes, but most db's do. Id take him on a go rt vs Megatron over a whole bunch of others in the NFL. Oh and btw his ass is on the field every Sunday!! That's right he actually fn plays hard and don't get hurt ever damn year. Hell we got idiots that cant even get out of their own way during pre-game warm ups.
I agree, he's not great but he's better than that clown Wilson
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Old 11-08-2012, 09:01 AM   #33
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Last season, the Redskins defense was stellar all season long and finished with a 13th place ranking in the NFL. As we all know, the defense has regressed this season after it showed much progress last season. I haven't been able to pinpoint the exact cause. Is it the scheme, the coverages that are called, or is the problem the personnel? Haslett can't truly be the problem as the defense in the past under his watch has been better.

If the problem is indeed the personnel in the secondary, then what players need to be replaced as a result? It's been said that D. Hall is not a true #1 CB and neither is Josh Wilson. Reed Doughty, while a decent fill in, can only help so much. And Madieu Williams has played more poorly than great although I credit him with a pick 6 against the Vikings weeks back. Brandon Meriweather hasn't played all season and Mike Shanahan should be blamed for signing a junky like Tanard Jackson, knowing full well that he had been in trouble with the NFL before for past offenses.

Next year in the draft or/and free agency, which players do the Redskins target to fix this anemic problem?

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how does a defense that played stellar last year end up ranked 13th? basically middle of the pack, and that what i rememeber from last year. this team is and has been filled with mediocre players for a while now. even when we were in the 4-3 we were still middle of the pack. a stellar defense is one that creates its own points and can get to the qb, we haven't had that here for some time now.

is shanny to blame for where we are player wise? i think yes and no. while he has been here for almost 3 years now, thats not a lot of time to enact a culture change and completely retool the roster. especially when we didnt have all of our draft picks and then the 18 mil fine we got slapped with this year. and to be fair some of that blame fails on shanny too, the mcnabb trade the hanyesworth handeling. but at the end of the day he can only go after players that are available and use the resources at his disposal.

i think shanny has another year to show more improvement, but i think haslett could and should lose his job by the end of this season if no improvement is shown. from the outside looking in it seems like he really doesnt understand the ebb and flow of the 3-4. and his biggest flaw is not being able to make in game adjustments. unless there is marketable improvement in the last half of the season firing haslett is a no brainer.
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Old 11-08-2012, 09:56 AM   #34
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how does a defense that played stellar last year end up ranked 13th? basically middle of the pack, and that what i rememeber from last year. this team is and has been filled with mediocre players for a while now. even when we were in the 4-3 we were still middle of the pack. a stellar defense is one that creates its own points and can get to the qb, we haven't had that here for some time now.

is shanny to blame for where we are player wise? i think yes and no. while he has been here for almost 3 years now, thats not a lot of time to enact a culture change and completely retool the roster. especially when we didnt have all of our draft picks and then the 18 mil fine we got slapped with this year. and to be fair some of that blame fails on shanny too, the mcnabb trade the hanyesworth handeling. but at the end of the day he can only go after players that are available and use the resources at his disposal.

i think shanny has another year to show more improvement, but i think haslett could and should lose his job by the end of this season if no improvement is shown. from the outside looking in it seems like he really doesnt understand the ebb and flow of the 3-4. and his biggest flaw is not being able to make in game adjustments. unless there is marketable improvement in the last half of the season firing haslett is a no brainer.
By what I meant by stellar was the sudden improvement from 2010 to 2011. Maybe stellar wasn't totally the right word to use, but this defense did get turnovers and being on the other side of 16th ranked is a little beyond the middle of the pack. Let us remember that when the Redskins faced the NY Midgets in NY last year in week 15, the Redskins entered that game ranked 10th in the league in total defense.

Shanahan is not without fault, but I view his switching to a 3-4 as a needless move like a lot of Redskins fans do. But I like the 3-4 defense now and I would prefer Kerrigan and Orakpo as OLBs instead of DEs. I think the defensive front is decent but the lack of rush without Carriker and B. Orakpo is hurting the overall defense.


If the Redskins don't start hustling more within the defensive secondary and keep getting beat consistently then Haslett will indeed be gone. Even if they somehow improve I don't see them making that much more improvement. Jarvis Jenkins is not having an impact. Barry Cofield is not a conventional NT, but he's solid and Stephen Bowen is solid. The LB corps are okay but London Fletcher's age is starting to show and there's no telling how much longer he can play. I'm not even going to emphasize the secondary. This defensive unit won't be any better than 23rd or 22nd ranked for the remainder of the year. If they improve, that will be the best that they'll be able to do based on what we've seen in the first 9 games. But if they can start creating more turnovers and get the ball back in the hands of the offense then the Redskins can run the table and perhaps end up 10-6.
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Why would anyone trade for one of the worst corners in the league, especially with his contract?
Because Hall was just an all pro pro two years ago. It's a trade along with our 2nd round pick that Shanahan might be able to sell some team. Most teams would probably so no. But it would be worth a try.

If the Redskins can hold on to the second round choice and draft a CB like Vernon Dean than that would be okay too.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:28 AM   #36
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Darrell green was by far a better corner than Deion
I second that, Green could also cover much taller players such as Irvin, Moss, Rice, etc. Deion got the fame because he was flashy.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:43 AM   #37
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deion was a good all around athlete... and thats good for the position and for punt returning which when he was young was another one of his claims to fame.. not a bad player... green all day but deion bashing is un-needed the guy had a pretty decent career and was exciting to watch
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Last season, the Redskins defense was stellar all season long and finished with a 13th place ranking in the NFL. As we all know, the defense has regressed this season after it showed much progress last season. I haven't been able to pinpoint the exact cause. Is it the scheme, the coverages that are called, or is the problem the personnel? Haslett can't truly be the problem as the defense in the past under his watch has been better.

If the problem is indeed the personnel in the secondary, then what players need to be replaced as a result? It's been said that D. Hall is not a true #1 CB and neither is Josh Wilson. Reed Doughty, while a decent fill in, can only help so much. And Madieu Williams has played more poorly than great although I credit him with a pick 6 against the Vikings weeks back. Brandon Meriweather hasn't played all season and Mike Shanahan should be blamed for signing a junky like Tanard Jackson, knowing full well that he had been in trouble with the NFL before for past offenses.

Next year in the draft or/and free agency, which players do the Redskins target to fix this anemic problem?

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I think slightly better than average is more like it.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:14 AM   #39
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Can't repalce the entire defense. Are we going to just bring in more free agents?Remember, Wilson was a free agent, everyone liked it when he signed and now everyone wants to run him off. To me, Wilson just needs to be coached up. He's been in position most of the time, he's just not making the plays. Hall? Now that's another story.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:22 AM   #40
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Deion was terrible!!!!! Most over rated to ever play the game. Green was way better. Deion would never make a tackle. Green actually had more pick then Deion and way more tackles. Deion was only good at running his mouth, put a big mouth in Dallas and he will make headlines.
Darrell Green = Best redskin ever

Deion Sanders = Best cornerback ever to play the position. Just because you might not like him doesn't mean he was ever fat and lazy. Some people think that he might have even been faster than green. Deion, while I think he is a pompous asshat, was a damn good cornerback. His ONLY downside was his tackkling. I dont care about the dancing, rapping and arrogance, he backed up what he ran his mouth about.

(Although I will say that nothing that he ever did on the field came even close to the magic that was made in the studio when he made the best rap album of all time)
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Darrell Green = Best redskin ever

Deion Sanders = Best cornerback ever to play the position. Just because you might not like him doesn't mean he was ever fat and lazy. Some people think that he might have even been faster than green. Deion, while I think he is a pompous asshat, was a damn good cornerback. His ONLY downside was his tackling. I dont care about the dancing, rapping and arrogance, he backed up what he ran his mouth about.

(Although I will say that nothing that he ever did on the field came even close to the magic that was made in the studio when he made the best rap album of all time)
Sorry, but that's a pretty BIG part of playing any position on defense.
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Sorry, but that's a pretty BIG part of playing any position on defense.
not back then for corners.... they werent as good at it then as they are now...
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Darrell Green = Best redskin ever

Deion Sanders = Best cornerback ever to play the position. Just because you might not like him doesn't mean he was ever fat and lazy. Some people think that he might have even been faster than green. Deion, while I think he is a pompous asshat, was a damn good cornerback. His ONLY downside was his tackkling. I dont care about the dancing, rapping and arrogance, he backed up what he ran his mouth about.

(Although I will say that nothing that he ever did on the field came even close to the magic that was made in the studio when he made the best rap album of all time)
Not taking anything away from Sanders, he was great but Green was as good or better due to his size. I would say Champ Bailey gives Deion a run for the money.
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not back then for corners.... they werent as good at it then as they are now...
But Deion was known for avoiding tackles. It wasn't just that he tried and missed ala Hall, he just out and out shied away from them. He was a very good corner, and could shut his side down, I am not arguing that. Just don't say he was the best ever. He wasn't.
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Because Hall was just an all pro pro two years ago. It's a trade along with our 2nd round pick that Shanahan might be able to sell some team. Most teams would probably so no. But it would be worth a try.

If the Redskins can hold on to the second round choice and draft a CB like Vernon Dean than that would be okay too.
He was?

Maybe you meant Pro Bowl.

Kind of a big difference there.
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