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View Poll Results: Should Mike Shanahan Be Canonized?
Yes! Saint Shanny! 22 26.83%
Nah, Just Make Him the 5th President on "Mt. Rushmore" 16 19.51%
Not Unless You Mean Shot Out of a Canon 20 24.39%
I Have No Sense Of Humor and Don't Get This 24 29.27%
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Old 12-16-2012, 10:10 PM   #76
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so much wrong...

we aren't one of the healthier teams.. its on you to prove an obviously wrong statement

qb slumps are highly overblown. Newton's stats are better this year, Flacco and Ryan have had highly productive seasons every year. I looked at stats for a bunch of qbs at one point and the drop in passer rating was mostly 1 or 2 points or non-existent. QBs in good schemes don't generally suddenly slump.

We are short 1 draft pick next year, so far we have found several good late round picks so I don't think suddenly we will find no talent to keep building. We are winning now, but not a "win now" team mode. We have youth infused on both sides of the team, and will keep adding througb FA AND the draft.

I do agree both coordinators have stepped up during this winning streak.
When you wrote that I was thinking "there is no way that's true."

And yet it is.
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Old 12-16-2012, 10:11 PM   #77
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Wrong. Rookie QB we bet the farm on because he's arguably the most dynamic athlete in pro football and actually been better than anyone expected. We're actually one of the healthier teams right now, and have been remarkably healthy across the oline this season. And finally, the last two years have been atrocious (Zorn-line in wins) because we were rebuilding, right? We're a win now team. Next year we're likely to see defenses catch up to us a bit, most QBs experience some kind of sophomore slump, and again we're not in any position to add significant talent in the next two years UNLESS we bet the farm in the next decade lol.

Unless you think Mike has suddenly become a defensive expert, as in he took the scheming away from Haslett, I don't know how you even put Mike as the most improved coach on the team, let alone the league. Haslett, who seemed overwhelmed the first half of the season, has schemed his way back into respectability. Kyle, who flashed genius early, is putting whole games together now instead of just series and quarters.

Where Mike gets credit is not buckling under the intense pressure of being 3-6 when he's coaching a win now team. It's not a small thing IMO, takes some real brass.
What's this "win now team" thing? Tough to call a team with a rookie QB, a rookie RB, and a rookie backup QB a "win now team."

Unless, of course Shanahan created the "win now team" sometime during this season. Which surely would be more credit than you've been willing to give the coaches todate. Can't have it both ways...
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When you wrote that I was thinking "there is no way that's true."

And yet it is.
I know, I was surprised when I looked at it, because for a while he seemed like the poster boy for sophomore slumps, but I think it was mainly his attitude during his losses.
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What's this "win now team" thing? Tough to call a team with a rookie QB, a rookie RB, and a rookie backup QB a "win now team."

Unless, of course Shanahan created the "win now team" sometime during this season. Which surely would be more credit than you've been willing to give the coaches todate. Can't have it both ways...
Kinda agree with you. Giving all those draft picks was kinda "win now", but Shanny's presided over a youth movement. He's had his moments (McNabb) but "Win Now" hasn't been Shanny's way with the Skins overall.

If we had signed Peyton Manning instead of drafting RG3, that would have been a "win now" move IMO. Even with all those draft picks we would have kept. Someone might correct me on this, but our cap situation would have been even worse with Manning, right?

edit: Wow CRedskinsRule, great observation. Looked at his stats and compared to Aaron Rodgers. If Cam improves over the course of his career as Aaron did, the sky's the limit! Same for Griffin.

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Re: Should Mike Shanahan Be Canonized?

The average age of the Redskins roster is still on the older side. The idea of the youth movement is real, but a lot of those players are at the end of their rookie contracts now and will be expensive to retain (or already are expensive, such as Garcon or Morgan).

Here's the youth movement: Griffin is 22. That's it. That's the youth. Five years from now, Aaron Rodgers will be 34, Peyton Manning will be 41, and Drew Brees will be 38. Griffin will be 27.
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Griffin and Rodgers are shockingly similar from a numbers (and a skill set) perspective.
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The average age of the Redskins roster is still on the older side. The idea of the youth movement is real, but a lot of those players are at the end of their rookie contracts now and will be expensive to retain (or already are expensive, such as Garcon or Morgan).

Here's the youth movement: Griffin is 22. That's it. That's the youth. Five years from now, Aaron Rodgers will be 34, Peyton Manning will be 41, and Drew Brees will be 38. Griffin will be 27.
Is this real?...you think too hard sometimes Tripp
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Those numbers are accurate, yes.
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The average age of the Redskins roster is still on the older side. The idea of the youth movement is real, but a lot of those players are at the end of their rookie contracts now and will be expensive to retain (or already are expensive, such as Garcon or Morgan).

Here's the youth movement: Griffin is 22. That's it. That's the youth. Five years from now, Aaron Rodgers will be 34, Peyton Manning will be 41, and Drew Brees will be 38. Griffin will be 27.
There is more than just Griffin to the youth movement...
Morris is 24
Orakpo 26
Kerrigan 24
T. Williams 24
Garçon 26

There are other plays like fred davis, riley and jenkins but to say that Griffin is the youth movement in my opinion is not accurate.
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You're working too hard Gtripp and moving into the realm of the obtuse.
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So, wait, I'm confused: are all 32 teams in a youth movement because they employ players who are young? Or should we do this by something more objective?
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So, wait, I'm confused: are all 32 teams in a youth movement because they employ players who are young? Or should we do this by something more objective?
By stating that Griffin was the youth movement you implied that Griffin was the only young player on the skins, but the numbers would prove that to be false.
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The average age of the Redskins roster is still on the older side. The idea of the youth movement is real, but a lot of those players are at the end of their rookie contracts now and will be expensive to retain (or already are expensive, such as Garcon or Morgan).

Here's the youth movement: Griffin is 22. That's it. That's the youth. Five years from now, Aaron Rodgers will be 34, Peyton Manning will be 41, and Drew Brees will be 38. Griffin will be 27.
Well, we have other young players drafted and signed that are pretty young too. Just compared the 2012 roster to the 2009 roster. LINK LINK

At the bottom of the page links, Avg age in 2009: 27.6, Avg age in 2012: 26.5.

Looking at the starters though, upper part of pages, there's a lot more starters over 27 in 2009, than in 2012. Even with fewer starting players being listed for 2012 (I guess because it's a work in progress?), the 2009 starting roster looks a lot older than 2012, to me.

I think Shanny's doing a great job rebuilding with youth, after the Cerrato disaster.
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By stating that Griffin was the youth movement you implied that Griffin was the only young player on the skins, but the numbers would prove that to be false.
No. I never implied anything like that.

Griffin is the youngest starting quarterback in the league. But that's also the only position on the Skins where we are measurably younger than everyone else in the league. But when you considered that we traded future draft picks for that one player...then it's not a stretch to point out the absurdity of calling one player a youth movement.

It's fair to say that the Shanahan-Redskins have been youth-conscious. But to suggest they are actually young goes against the numbers.
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Well, we have other young players drafted and signed that are pretty young too. Just compared the 2012 roster to the 2009 roster. LINK LINK

At the bottom of the page links, Avg age in 2009: 27.6, Avg age in 2012: 27.

Looking at the starters though, upper part of pages, there's a lot more starters over 27 in 2009, than in 2012. Even with fewer starting players being listed for 2012 (I guess because it's a work in progress?), the 2009 starting roster looks a lot older than 2012, to me.
I think we were 31st in the league in av. age in 2009. We're like 23rd or something now.

But it's not like they could have reasonably trended anywhere but where they did go, just simple regression towards the mean. If the Redskins suddenly get really young in the next two years, then, yeah, we can call it a youth movement. But that's not where I suspect this roster is headed.
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