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Old 11-20-2012, 09:28 AM   #31
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Shanahan walks through Reston Town Center and bumps into 3 guys every night that will give you 4 yards per carry. He devalues running backs and it's entirely likely that Alf is getting the rock 100% of the time to increase his trade value, ala Clinton Portis in Denver.
That makes no sense at all. In Morris, we have a RB who should have a 1,000+ yard rookie season, will only get better, and probably has many productive years ahead of him and you think he's being showcased for a trade? Despite Shanahan's stellar record in finding and developing RB's, players like Morris don't grow on trees. Adding to that, we don't have a proven back behind him. No, he won't be traded but Shanny will add some more RB bodies to help him next season.

Also, I strongly agree with those who think we need to add an explosive third down back. RGIII needs more weapons. With a couple more explosive players, our offense could be spectacular.
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Old 11-20-2012, 09:51 AM   #32
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his heart is tied to penn state, once all this kid touching business blows over, he'll get his mojo back
Are you kidding, Penn State is a RB factory! Even Royster, Blair Thomas, Ki-Jana Carter...look at that pedigree.


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Old 11-20-2012, 09:51 AM   #33
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Morris has surprised everyone, including Shanahan it seems.

Shanahan has gone with the committee approach in the past, but if he has a guy he believes can carry the load he's not afraid of feeding that guy til he drops. I think perhaps that's what we're seeing.
Yeah, I'm not so sure I agree with what he's doing. But we'll see how it plays out
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:00 AM   #34
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Yeah, I'm not so sure I agree with what he's doing. But we'll see how it plays out
Why not? It seems to be effective. Are you concerned with Morris blocking? To me, Royster just seemed to regress. He and Morris seemed to be similar backs but, to me, Morris has just been better. When Royster has had his oppotunities, he just hasn't shown me much.

Are you sleeping with Royster and afraid he may be cut and you may lose your inside source??
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:14 AM   #35
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Smoot's concern is wearing Morris down in this critical time in the season. Not having a back capable of getting Morris out of the game for a few plays to be able to keep him fresh. He is young but his body has never been through a grueling 16 game NFL season, and there has to be a worry there that he gets to many reps to the point of injury or just flat out fatigue.
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I get the fatigue thing. At the same time, it's not like Royster has been cut. It's going to be more of the traditional primary RB offense. When Morris gets winded he sticks his hand up. In addition (I would hope), Shanny probably has Morris on a "pitch count" and certainly can give him a breather for a series or two.
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Why not? It seems to be effective. Are you concerned with Morris blocking? To me, Royster just seemed to regress. He and Morris seemed to be similar backs but, to me, Morris has just been better. When Royster has had his oppotunities, he just hasn't shown me much.

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Wait - I think that's my nanny's grandfather's second-cousin-twice-removed's florist.

Seriously, why do you have concerns about promoting Morris to full time back? Is it just the fatigue thing or do you have other concerns? (and no, this is not a "do you know something we don't know" question - just curious as to why you don't think it's a good idea).
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That's what it sounds like to me. Morris wants to be a complete back..Shanahan thinks he's special and gave him a shot.
I would like to see Shanny utilize Morris out of the backfield as a receiver too. I think he can be a complete back. He certainly runs harder than Royster or Helu, but I hope that Helu comes back next year as the change of pace back. I have little use for Royster, and would be surprised if he makes the team next year.
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Wait - I think that's my nanny's grandfather's second-cousin-twice-removed's florist.

Seriously, why do you have concerns about promoting Morris to full time back? Is it just the fatigue thing or do you have other concerns? (and no, this is not a "do you know something we don't know" question - just curious as to why you don't think it's a good idea).
I get that Royster has struggled this year in his limited opportunities, and I suppose they have their reasons for feeling neither Ryan Grant nor Steve Slaton belong on the roster.

But I don't want to see Morris worn out, not just for the rest of this season, but long term. He averaged around 20 yards a carry in college. Which I think is around where he's at right now, but that's just 12 games a year. Including preseason he's already surpassed that
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I get that Royster has struggled this year in his limited opportunities, and I suppose they have their reasons for feeling neither Ryan Grant nor Steve Slaton belong on the roster.

But I don't want to see Morris worn out, not just for the rest of this season, but long term. He averaged around 20 yards a carry in college. Which I think is around where he's at right now, but that's just 12 games a year. Including preseason he's already surpassed that
Man you blew that stat. Haha.
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we knew he meant 20 carries a game. come on now. otherwise i'd put him in the hall myself .
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I get that Royster has struggled this year in his limited opportunities, and I suppose they have their reasons for feeling neither Ryan Grant nor Steve Slaton belong on the roster.

But I don't want to see Morris worn out, not just for the rest of this season, but long term. He averaged around 20 yards a carry in college. Which I think is around where he's at right now, but that's just 12 games a year. Including preseason he's already surpassed that
You make a good point about Grant and Slaton -- both had 1000+ yard seasons, and they cannot even make the squad where we have 2 RBs (remember, Keiland Williams wasn't on the team when Helu went on IR). It's odd to me that neither of them was worth being a third down back, much less someone to spell Alfmo. He's been terrific this season, but I worry that even a rookie with not a lot of wear and tear will get fatigued by season's end. Of course, if he gives us the best chance to win, since every week is basically a playoff game, I suspect we're going to see only Morris until we're eliminated from playoff contention (insert Mora "Playoffs?!" rant here); if we somehow make the playoffs, it isn't as though he will get a rest then either.
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I get that Royster has struggled this year in his limited opportunities, and I suppose they have their reasons for feeling neither Ryan Grant nor Steve Slaton belong on the roster.

But I don't want to see Morris worn out, not just for the rest of this season, but long term. He averaged around 20 yards a carry in college. Which I think is around where he's at right now, but that's just 12 games a year. Including preseason he's already surpassed that
I get that - particularly as to the long term. Again, it is my hope that they will be cognizant of the fact that he is a rookie and that he needs to be spelled on occasion. At the same time, I am firm believer in continuity. As long as they don't overwork him, being in on 3rd downs (I think) helps both him and the team on first and second down.

As Morris gets experience in obvious passing situations, it will help his pass blocking on 1st and 2nd down and, as gets in game experience as an outlet and/or receiver, it will increase the teams flexibility on early downs. Plus, on those 3rd downs which it is a guessing game (3rd and 2-4ish) as to pass v. run, it is less of an indicator if we leave him in as opposed to subbing him out for a pass catching/blocking back.

It's about using him wisely. Hopefully, MS and KS do that.
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Man you blew that stat. Haha.
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