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Old 11-20-2012, 04:30 PM   #61
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They should have used Young on the 3rd and 1 instead of pitching it to Morris.
I was hoping a roll out/run by RGIII going left with Young and TW sealing off the edge -- that would have to have been good for the 6 inches we needed. Young would have been a good choice too. I was actually wondering whether they would give Keiland Williams a shot in short yardage too.
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They should have used Young on the 3rd and 1 instead of pitching it to Morris.
Young reminds me of Jerome Bettis. And not because they have the same number.
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They should have used Young on the 3rd and 1 instead of pitching it to Morris.
I was expecting a FB dive there.
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Old 11-20-2012, 06:46 PM   #64
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Why don't we have Darrel Young carrying the ball more? I think he might be as effective as Morris on the zone read and from tackle to tackle.
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I was expecting a FB dive there.
That 3rd and short play calling is constantly an issue. Maybe it's trickery, maybe it's just closing your eyes and pointing at the 3rd and short play calls in the playbook, but there has GOT to be something better than a pitch, 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage in hopes of getting the first down.
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Old 11-20-2012, 06:53 PM   #66
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That 3rd and short play calling is constantly an issue. Maybe it's trickery, maybe it's just closing your eyes and pointing at the 3rd and short play calls in the playbook, but there has GOT to be something better than a pitch, 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage in hopes of getting the first down.
Agreed. Methinks sometimes Kyle gets too cute.
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That 3rd and short play calling is constantly an issue. Maybe it's trickery, maybe it's just closing your eyes and pointing at the 3rd and short play calls in the playbook, but there has GOT to be something better than a pitch, 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage in hopes of getting the first down.
Agreed. Just knuckle down and push them back.
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On third and short I'd like to see more just running at the other team then trying to run around them.
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On third and short I'd like to see more just running at the other team then trying to run around them.
That's why I don't understand. You've got big Morris, Young, hell in a worse case scenario, you could even use Cooley. But I just don't get the pitching thing. You got big guys back there, let them do their job.
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Why don't we have Darrel Young carrying the ball more? I think he might be as effective as Morris on the zone read and from tackle to tackle.
Mike Anderson style? Why not?
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That's why I don't understand. You've got big Morris, Young, hell in a worse case scenario, you could even use Cooley. But I just don't get the pitching thing. You got big guys back there, let them do their job.
The irony was when we had smaller backs (Portis) we'd run it straight into the line for a loss more often than not.
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The irony was when we had smaller backs (Portis) we'd run it straight into the line for a loss more often than not.
CP could run well between the tackles. I recall one victory against the eagles. We needed a first down on short yardage to be able to run the clock out and win. Portis basically demanded the ball and got the first down.

I think the reason Portis could run for short yardage, and we're reluctant to pound the middle in short yardage now, is the difference in our offensive line then and now. Back in Portis' day, our OL was built for smashmouth. Now, we have quicker guys for ZBS.

I still think on normal downs we could use Young on some of the interior runs, to help keep Morris from wearing out.
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CP could run well between the tackles. I recall one victory against the eagles. We needed a first down on short yardage to be able to run the clock out and win. Portis basically demanded the ball and got the first down.

I think the reason Portis could run for short yardage, and we're reluctant to pound the middle in short yardage now, is the difference in our offensive line then and now. Back in Portis' day, our OL was built for smashmouth. Now, we have quicker guys for ZBS.

I still think on normal downs we could use Young on some of the interior runs, to help keep Morris from wearing out.
Really good point about how the OL is now configured for zone blocking rather than bulldozing. Still, giving up 3 yards to pitch the ball on a short yardage play on the goal line drives me crazy too.

And yes, I agree that Kyle may overthink things at times. We've got to figure some kind of interior power game for short yardage situations. Whatever happened to the quarterback draw, by the way?
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Regardless of the call, if you can't pick up a yard on 3rd down, I have to point the finger at the OL for ultimately not getting the job done.
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The irony was when we had smaller backs (Portis) we'd run it straight into the line for a loss more often than not.
We had a line better suited for power plays back then. Now we're a zone line that's best when moving side to side.
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