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Old 11-21-2012, 12:19 AM   #76
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Regardless of the call, if you can't pick up a yard on 3rd down, I have to point the finger at the OL for ultimately not getting the job done.
We don't really have an oline built to overpower a dline going "toe to toe" though right? I guess my thinking was that's part of the reason we see the idiotic pitches or even gadget plays when we run the ball on short yardage downs. Not that we have to limit the playbook to pitches/gadget plays, but "we" haven't figured that out yet.

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We don't really have an oline built to overpower a dline going "toe to toe" though right? I guess my thinking was that's part of the reason we see the idiotic pitches or even gadget plays when we run the ball on short yardage downs. Not that we have to limit the playbook to pitches/gadget plays, but "we" haven't figured that out yet.

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We've run some dives and and power runs on short yardage too though.

Sometimes you have to go against your tendencies. Or perhaps there was something on film the coaches thought they could exploit. I know, it's easier to just blast a play in hindsight when it doesn't work.
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:45 AM   #78
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We've run some dives and and power runs on short yardage too though.

Sometimes you have to go against your tendencies. Or perhaps there was something on film the coaches thought they could exploit. I know, it's easier to just blast a play in hindsight when it doesn't work.
That's true, mostly on short/quick counts to Young, and they've worked the times I can remember. You're right the quick dive would have been better than the pitch/gadget. I was actually thinking more about a base formation and pulling a guard, and since one of the best features of ZBS is quicker/mobile linemen our guards should be good to go. I know pulling a guard isn't a tradition short yardage play, but there you've got bigger/heavier/slower lineman and a QB not nearly as talented with the hard count as RG3.
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Well I don't understand voluntarily making a 3rd and 6 inches a 3rd and 3. But anyway if Helu comes back healthy next year I don't know how you don't use him. Haven't checked myself but Bucket posted AM and Helu have the same amount of total yards in the same amount of games using Helu's stats from last year. I'm sure more of Helu's came from receiving than AM's did but I would want Helu in the game at times partly because he is a better receiver and partly because he has a better chance of breaking one and going to the house with it. I remember him running one in from about 28 yds. out last year and he wasn't 100%. With Helu from 3rd and 3 or 4 you really don't know what he's gonna do. And like SS says...there's your breather and saving some wear and tear for Morris. Of course all this depends on him getting and staying healthy which is no sure thing.
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Since the coaches want to get the offense into the "pistol" formation, I would like to see the Maryland I formation used also on running plays. But I've never seen a play in the NFL in which there are 3 running backs in the backfield behind the QB. Still, I think it would be an interesting wrinkle since the pistol formation has been used so much this season.
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Old 11-21-2012, 04:49 AM   #81
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I'm hearing Tim Hightower is working out for the Cards this week ..... If he's back to health .... Y the hell aren't we looking at bringing him back .... After Morris .... We have ....... Ummm just Morris really
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That 3rd and short play calling is constantly an issue. Maybe it's trickery, maybe it's just closing your eyes and pointing at the 3rd and short play calls in the playbook, but there has GOT to be something better than a pitch, 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage in hopes of getting the first down.
No doubt,Morris has got the power to pick up the first going straight up the middle but pitching it out gives the def too much of a chance to stop it
Also hated the other short yardage call with Qb sneak,I don't think that will ever be a good call with RG 3,he's too lean,doesn't have the body to move the pile in that situation
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We've run some dives and and power runs on short yardage too though.

Sometimes you have to go against your tendencies. Or perhaps there was something on film the coaches thought they could exploit. I know, it's easier to just blast a play in hindsight when it doesn't work.
It is of course, but you would think after it didnt work 1 or 2 times you wouldnt try it a 3rd or 4th.

I hated that play call. 1. Alfmo doesnt have the speed to get to the edge from a dead stop start 2. At least get Young in the backfield to lead 3. Why pitch to the the short side, your giving the Corner and Safety an advantage.

Later in the game there was another pitch sweep where Young did lead and it went to the long side of the field and it went for decent 8-9 yard gain. That was the right adjustment by Kyle.
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That makes no sense at all. In Morris, we have a RB who should have a 1,000+ yard rookie season, will only get better, and probably has many productive years ahead of him and you think he's being showcased for a trade? Despite Shanahan's stellar record in finding and developing RB's, players like Morris don't grow on trees. Adding to that, we don't have a proven back behind him. No, he won't be traded but Shanny will add some more RB bodies to help him next season.

Also, I strongly agree with those who think we need to add an explosive third down back. RGIII needs more weapons. With a couple more explosive players, our offense could be spectacular.
I wasnt saying it was going to happen. I am saying it wouldnt surprise me if it happened. And to address the bold, Mike does believe that Alfred Morris(s) grows on trees. The 4-7 rounds are where the trees grow.
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Alfred Morris not feeling the rookie wall | ProFootballTalk

Kyle and Alfmo address the grind of the rookie wall and the workload. Liking what im hearing, kid is an absolute monster
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Alfred Morris not feeling the rookie wall | ProFootballTalk

Kyle and Alfmo address the grind of the rookie wall and the workload. Liking what im hearing, kid is an absolute monster
I think Alfred Morris will be the one to break Eric Dickerson's season rushing record someday(2,105 yards).
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I think Alfred Morris will be the one to break Eric Dickerson's season rushing record someday(2,105 yards).
Really?
Morris is good but he's not that good.He doesn't have the speed or the moves to accomplish something like that.
If he stays healthy for a full season playing in every game I would guess 1500 yards tops
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Yeah I don't see Morris being that good either. He just doesn't have the breakaway speed to be able to rip off long runs like Dickerson was able to do quite often.

I agree, a 1500 yard season is probably the ceiling for him. Nothing wrong with that.

Plus you have to consider the yards that RG3 takes away from him.
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Yeah I don't see Morris being that good either. He just doesn't have the breakaway speed to be able to rip off long runs like Dickerson was able to do quite often.

I agree, a 1500 yard season is probably the ceiling for him. Nothing wrong with that.

Plus you have to consider the yards that RG3 takes away from him.
My sentiments exactly
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:48 PM   #90
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A back typically has 3-5 really good seasons in him before they start to break down. I say ride Morris for what he's worth while he's young and can handle it.
Yes. If he ain't tired, keep him in there.
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