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Old 11-28-2012, 11:47 AM   #196
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I'm not saying Compton has no value just because he went to a smaller school. What I'm saying is the front office should always think in terms of being better off. If D.J. Fluker was available in the 3rd round next April, would the Redskins pick him or would Mike Shanahan draft another position, trade the pick and move down, or select that RT from Alabama that could answer your problem at RT?

What I meant by saying what I said about following college football is this: many football fans in the NFL are not familiar with the schools in the Big Sky conference or the WAC conference. Most football fans are familiar with the ACC, the BIG EAST, the BIG 12, BIG 10, and PAC 12.

A lot of people who even follow college football don't even think of the division 2 schools just NCAA division 1 colleges. This is what I meant when I said what I said.
But I don't get why it's a big deal if the fan isn't familiar with the school? How is that relevant?
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:48 AM   #197
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ng-efficiency/

Here is some good stuff about our Tackle situation and Pass blocking.

The Good: Silverback 11th best pass blocking Tackle

The Bad: Polumbus 7th worst. Interesting bad: Willie Smith, Demetrius Bell
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:59 AM   #198
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But I don't get why it's a big deal if the fan isn't familiar with the school? How is that relevant?
A long time ago when Joe Gibbs was the head coach and Bobby Beathard was the GM, the Redskins drafted a TE named Jimmy Johnson from Howard University. Growing up in D.C. I had relatives that went to Howard and I saw Howard play when Johnson was there. When the Redskins drafted him I was excited for him. He was not the best TE in the NFL but he was a great blocker and a very good receiver. No one is looking at certain value that the smaller schools possesses. People have their eyes trained more on Fred Davis because he went to USC or on Jimmy Graham because he played for the "U". The tight ends at Norfolk State, Howard, Grambling, or a losing program like Rice University would appear more under the radar. Fans/people are not familiar with these players and wouldn't be familiar with them unless there was a program about them on ESPN 2 or something.

I don't know whether or not you understand what I'm trying to convey here.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:03 PM   #199
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A long time ago when Joe Gibbs was the head coach and Bobby Beathard was the GM, the Redskins drafted a TE named Jimmy Johnson from Howard University. Growing up in D.C. I had relatives that went to Howard and I saw Howard play when Johnson was there. When the Redskins drafted him I was excited for him. He was not the best TE in the NFL but he was a great blocker and a very good receiver. No one is looking at certain value that the smaller schools possesses. People have their eyes trained more on Fred Davis because he went to USC or on Jimmy Graham because he played for the "U". The tight ends at Norfolk State, Howard, Grambling, or a losing program like Rice University would appear more under the radar. Fans/people are not familiar with these players and wouldn't be familiar with them unless there was a program about them on ESPN 2 or something.

I don't know whether or not you understand what I'm trying to convey here.
Can somebody help me out here? I'm totally lost
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:04 PM   #200
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Don't look at me I'm just as lost.

Who cares what the fans know. As long as the scouts are doing their job that's all that matters.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:08 PM   #201
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I'm not really following the point being made, but remember a few things:

1) like Smoot said, the teams have scouts that are looking at both the big schools and the diamond in the rough type schools/players

2) the draft is about 2 things, a players value to your team, and their perceived value to other teams. So if a diamond in the rough type is available at round 3, you still may pass on him thinking that other teams don't see him the same way. So you gamble a bit on that one, and let him slide to the 4th/5th/6th hoping to use trades and slides in order to get him at the lowest draft point possible, but higher than when you miss him.

3) the draft is not a perfect science, one player from a small school most likely will not break your team, but missing on an "obvious" choice can hurt a FO's reputation.

4) ultimately 3rd-7th rounders are players with potential. How you value that potential goes a long way in setting the price point for him.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:09 PM   #202
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I too am unsure how the fans' perception of player value has any bearing on the topic being discussed.

Elaboration, concisely please, is needed.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:11 PM   #203
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All I'm saying is that priorities should first be centered around RGIII first. He is the redskins. If there was a safe way to put him on defense and special teams - I have no doubt that the redskins would be the best team in the nfl- right now.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:12 PM   #204
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2) the draft is about 2 things, a players value to your team, and their perceived value to other teams. So if a diamond in the rough type is available at round 3, you still may pass on him thinking that other teams don't see him the same way. So you gamble a bit on that one, and let him slide to the 4th/5th/6th hoping to use trades and slides in order to get him at the lowest draft point possible, but higher than when you miss him.
right...where you draft a player is relative to how you have evaluated his value to OTHER teams.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:53 PM   #205
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Can somebody help me out here? I'm totally lost
I guess he is saying scouts/fans/people dont pay attention to small college programs who posses just a talented players as large college programs. Players at larger programs are better because they went to bigger program or something. Which I dont agree
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:57 PM   #206
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yeah, but what about ricardo colclough?
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Old 11-28-2012, 01:00 PM   #207
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I guess he is saying scouts/fans/people dont pay attention to small college programs who posses just a talented players as large college programs. Players at larger programs are better because they went to bigger program or something. Which I dont agree
This is exactly what I was trying to say. Some players go undrafted. Some are drafted high and some are drafted very late. As long as they have the ability to play is all that matters. But I would like to see Compton, Gettis, and LeRibeus get some game experience during some point if it's possible. But when Gettis, Compton, or LeRibeus hasn't played, it makes me think that the coaches feel like they are incapable or simply not ready to contribute yet. Hell, Joe Jacoby was undrafted and was arguably the best RT in Redskins history.
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Old 11-28-2012, 01:22 PM   #208
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I think some are missing the point of the thread. No one's saying our offensive line has been dominant or couldn't use an additional piece here and there. But given the uneven play of our defense throughout the season, WRs in and out of the line-up, a key injury at TE, the offensive line has performed admirably considering two rookies have lined up behind them all season. That's all I was pointing out with the thread title.

We talk about depth around here like there should be Pro-Bowlers standing on the sidelines or on someone's practice squad ready to rock and roll. Not how it works. Be grateful. The unit has gelled and are obviously playing with a lot of confidence right now.
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I think some are missing the point of the thread. No one's saying our offensive line has been dominant or couldn't use an additional piece here and there. But given the uneven play of our defense throughout the season, WRs in and out of the line-up, a key injury at TE, the offensive line has performed admirably considering two rookies have lined up behind them all season. That's all I was pointing out with the thread title.

We talk about depth around here like there should be Pro-Bowlers standing on the sidelines or on someone's practice squad ready to rock and roll. Not how it works. Be grateful. The unit has gelled and are obviously playing with a lot of confidence right now.
that's it, and that's what matters
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Old 11-28-2012, 01:45 PM   #210
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right...where you draft a player is relative to how you have evaluated his value to OTHER teams.
Agreed.....
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