Warpath  

Home | Forums | Salary Cap Info | Shop | Donate | Stay Connected




Go Back   Warpath > Redskins Forums > Redskins Locker Room


Redskins Offensive Line: 2012 Unsung Heroes

Redskins Locker Room


Reply
 
LinkBack (1) Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-28-2012, 12:29 PM   #196
Uncle Phil
 
SmootSmack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 44,975
Re: Redskins Offensive Line: 2012 Unsung Heroes

Quote:
Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever View Post
Smoot, how so?
First, you're assuming that a T drafted higher from a bigger school would be kicking ass right now...like say Bobby Massie

Second, your whole thing about "unless you truly follow college football" What is that? I mean you do realize the scouts' jobs are to "truly follow college football" and find the players from schools no one thinks about. Players like...Alfred Morris for example
__________________
You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You
SmootSmack is offline   Reply With Quote

Advertisements
Old 11-28-2012, 12:32 PM   #197
Mann Up HOF!
 
Lotus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Hattiesburg, MS
Posts: 11,028
Re: Redskins Offensive Line: 2012 Unsung Heroes

Quote:
Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule View Post
Protecting RGIII has value, obviously. HOWEVER, the team needs defensive talent in many places. RGIII, by his style and nature, will take hits. Every quarterback takes hits, some take more than him some take less. The FO has to make every effort to put a winning team together, not a vessel for the Great RGIII (no sarcasm meant). Griffin has dealt with injuries in his past, and has overcome them. I have no doubt that if the worst were to happen, he would work his butt off to come back again.

No one is saying ignore the line, but short of a top32 draft pick you probably aren't getting a day one starter, so let's let our draft picks and players compete, develop and transition in (or if they can't, get more bodies in) to keep trying to find the right players for the future)
And next year the Rams will be using our #32 pick.
__________________
Rooting for the Dallas Cowboys should be recognized as a treatable mental disorder.
Lotus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2012, 12:34 PM   #198
The Starter
 
warriorzpath's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,659
Re: Redskins Offensive Line: 2012 Unsung Heroes

Part of the role of an offensive tackle is to basically be the bodyguard for the qb. Are you content to have a decent bodyguard for your franchise player as long as he's healthy or do you want the best available bodyguard to protect him?

I guess I just don't think like most of you. I guess we'll see if Mike Shanahan agrees with me in his choices in free agency and in the draft this offseason.
warriorzpath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2012, 12:36 PM   #199
The Starter
 
warriorzpath's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,659
Re: Redskins Offensive Line: 2012 Unsung Heroes

Make no mistake, part of the reason that Polumbus appears to be doing a decent job in pass protection is that RGIII makes him look better.
warriorzpath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2012, 12:43 PM   #200
Gamebreaker
 
CRedskinsRule's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Pasadena, Md
Age: 47
Posts: 12,882
Re: Redskins Offensive Line: 2012 Unsung Heroes

Quote:
Originally Posted by warriorzpath View Post
Make no mistake, part of the reason that Polumbus appears to be doing a decent job in pass protection is that RGIII makes him look better.
Man, I could swear that in the pre-season there were people saying that Griffin was going to make the line better than it looked with Beck and Grossman. And I swear I remember some people saying that that argument was crazy talk. (not saying it was you warrior). Seems like having a QB with a quick release, decisive in his throws, and aware of the rush, might just help the line. That is some amazing stuff.
__________________
Dirtbag59, sending songs to oblivion 1 writer at a time.
CRedskinsRule is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2012, 12:43 PM   #201
The Starter
 
REDSKINS4ever's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Born and raised in D.C.....but I'm a New Yorker now....
Posts: 2,200
Re: Redskins Offensive Line: 2012 Unsung Heroes

Quote:
Originally Posted by SmootSmack View Post
First, you're assuming that a T drafted higher from a bigger school would be kicking ass right now...like say Bobby Massie

Second, your whole thing about "unless you truly follow college football" What is that? I mean you do realize the scouts' jobs are to "truly follow college football" and find the players from schools no one thinks about. Players like...Alfred Morris for example
I'm not saying Compton has no value just because he went to a smaller school. What I'm saying is the front office should always think in terms of being better off. If D.J. Fluker was available in the 3rd round next April, would the Redskins pick him or would Mike Shanahan draft another position, trade the pick and move down, or select that RT from Alabama that could answer your problem at RT?

What I meant by saying what I said about following college football is this: many football fans in the NFL are not familiar with the schools in the Big Sky conference or the WAC conference. Most football fans are familiar with the ACC, the BIG EAST, the BIG 12, BIG 10, and PAC 12.

A lot of people who even follow college football don't even think of the division 2 schools just NCAA division 1 colleges. This is what I meant when I said what I said.
REDSKINS4ever is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2012, 12:45 PM   #202
Gamebreaker
 
CRedskinsRule's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Pasadena, Md
Age: 47
Posts: 12,882
Re: Redskins Offensive Line: 2012 Unsung Heroes

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lotus View Post
And next year the Rams will be using our #32 pick.

awesome
__________________
Dirtbag59, sending songs to oblivion 1 writer at a time.
CRedskinsRule is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2012, 12:47 PM   #203
Uncle Phil
 
SmootSmack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 44,975
Re: Redskins Offensive Line: 2012 Unsung Heroes

Quote:
Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever View Post
I'm not saying Compton has no value just because he went to a smaller school. What I'm saying is the front office should always think in terms of being better off. If D.J. Fluker was available in the 3rd round next April, would the Redskins pick him or would Mike Shanahan draft another position, trade the pick and move down, or select that RT from Alabama that could answer your problem at RT?

What I meant by saying what I said about following college football is this: many football fans in the NFL are not familiar with the schools in the Big Sky conference or the WAC conference. Most football fans are familiar with the ACC, the BIG EAST, the BIG 12, BIG 10, and PAC 12.

A lot of people who even follow college football don't even think of the division 2 schools just NCAA division 1 colleges. This is what I meant when I said what I said.
But I don't get why it's a big deal if the fan isn't familiar with the school? How is that relevant?
__________________
You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You
SmootSmack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2012, 12:48 PM   #204
Gamebreaker
 
Chico23231's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Richmond, VA
Age: 37
Posts: 12,601
Re: Redskins Offensive Line: 2012 Unsung Heroes

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ng-efficiency/

Here is some good stuff about our Tackle situation and Pass blocking.

The Good: Silverback 11th best pass blocking Tackle

The Bad: Polumbus 7th worst. Interesting bad: Willie Smith, Demetrius Bell
__________________
Boycott Rolling Stone Magazine
Chico23231 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2012, 12:59 PM   #205
The Starter
 
REDSKINS4ever's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Born and raised in D.C.....but I'm a New Yorker now....
Posts: 2,200
Re: Redskins Offensive Line: 2012 Unsung Heroes

Quote:
Originally Posted by SmootSmack View Post
But I don't get why it's a big deal if the fan isn't familiar with the school? How is that relevant?
A long time ago when Joe Gibbs was the head coach and Bobby Beathard was the GM, the Redskins drafted a TE named Jimmy Johnson from Howard University. Growing up in D.C. I had relatives that went to Howard and I saw Howard play when Johnson was there. When the Redskins drafted him I was excited for him. He was not the best TE in the NFL but he was a great blocker and a very good receiver. No one is looking at certain value that the smaller schools possesses. People have their eyes trained more on Fred Davis because he went to USC or on Jimmy Graham because he played for the "U". The tight ends at Norfolk State, Howard, Grambling, or a losing program like Rice University would appear more under the radar. Fans/people are not familiar with these players and wouldn't be familiar with them unless there was a program about them on ESPN 2 or something.

I don't know whether or not you understand what I'm trying to convey here.
REDSKINS4ever is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2012, 01:03 PM   #206
Uncle Phil
 
SmootSmack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 44,975
Re: Redskins Offensive Line: 2012 Unsung Heroes

Quote:
Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever View Post
A long time ago when Joe Gibbs was the head coach and Bobby Beathard was the GM, the Redskins drafted a TE named Jimmy Johnson from Howard University. Growing up in D.C. I had relatives that went to Howard and I saw Howard play when Johnson was there. When the Redskins drafted him I was excited for him. He was not the best TE in the NFL but he was a great blocker and a very good receiver. No one is looking at certain value that the smaller schools possesses. People have their eyes trained more on Fred Davis because he went to USC or on Jimmy Graham because he played for the "U". The tight ends at Norfolk State, Howard, Grambling, or a losing program like Rice University would appear more under the radar. Fans/people are not familiar with these players and wouldn't be familiar with them unless there was a program about them on ESPN 2 or something.

I don't know whether or not you understand what I'm trying to convey here.
Can somebody help me out here? I'm totally lost
__________________
You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You
SmootSmack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2012, 01:04 PM   #207
‎\m/
 
Mattyk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Age: 42
Posts: 83,552
Re: Redskins Offensive Line: 2012 Unsung Heroes

Don't look at me I'm just as lost.

Who cares what the fans know. As long as the scouts are doing their job that's all that matters.
__________________
Support The Warpath! | Warpath Shop
Mattyk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2012, 01:08 PM   #208
Gamebreaker
 
CRedskinsRule's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Pasadena, Md
Age: 47
Posts: 12,882
Re: Redskins Offensive Line: 2012 Unsung Heroes

I'm not really following the point being made, but remember a few things:

1) like Smoot said, the teams have scouts that are looking at both the big schools and the diamond in the rough type schools/players

2) the draft is about 2 things, a players value to your team, and their perceived value to other teams. So if a diamond in the rough type is available at round 3, you still may pass on him thinking that other teams don't see him the same way. So you gamble a bit on that one, and let him slide to the 4th/5th/6th hoping to use trades and slides in order to get him at the lowest draft point possible, but higher than when you miss him.

3) the draft is not a perfect science, one player from a small school most likely will not break your team, but missing on an "obvious" choice can hurt a FO's reputation.

4) ultimately 3rd-7th rounders are players with potential. How you value that potential goes a long way in setting the price point for him.
__________________
Dirtbag59, sending songs to oblivion 1 writer at a time.
CRedskinsRule is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2012, 01:09 PM   #209
Franchise Player
 
FRPLG's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Age: 36
Posts: 9,985
Re: Redskins Offensive Line: 2012 Unsung Heroes

I too am unsure how the fans' perception of player value has any bearing on the topic being discussed.

Elaboration, concisely please, is needed.
FRPLG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2012, 01:11 PM   #210
The Starter
 
warriorzpath's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,659
Re: Redskins Offensive Line: 2012 Unsung Heroes

All I'm saying is that priorities should first be centered around RGIII first. He is the redskins. If there was a safe way to put him on defense and special teams - I have no doubt that the redskins would be the best team in the nfl- right now.
warriorzpath is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:33 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site is not officially affiliated with the Washington Redskins or the NFL.
Page generated in 0.31092 seconds with 9 queries

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC5

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25