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Old 11-26-2012, 03:43 PM   #91
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Re: Redskins Offensive Line: 2012 Unsung Heroes

Call the offensive line heroes, call them mediocre, I don't give a shit. All I'm saying is we're strong in offensive production. We're terrible in defensive production. So laud the offensive line, or don't for all I care, just as long as every sane person realizes that the defense is in much bigger need of attention than the offensive line.

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I think the importance of RT is considerably overrated. I also think there aren't many great RTs out there. And finally I think it would be stupid to draft/sign an RT just for the hell of it in lieu of a better player at another position
As an example of the importance of RT in relation to other positions, even being out for 8 weeks (is that right?), Garcon has contributed 2 touchdowns. Both TD's were, essentially, pure individual effort. I just don't see any RT (yes, even Winston) having the impact that a healthy Garcon makes.

Similarly, DB's operate on much more individual effort and the inadequacies of a below average safety or corner are much more easily exposed than those of an inadequate O-lineman. Neither is good, but given my druthers, I would rather improve the below average DB at the risk of retaining a below average RT.

If we had a line of Polumbus's, yup that would be a serious concern. We have, however, a possible pro-bowl LT, a center rated second in the league at his position and a pair of at least average guards to go along with Mr. Polumbus.

Let me ask you this - do you think playoff contenders Chicago, GBay, Dallas, Pittsburg wishes it had Kory L, Monty or Chester on their line RIGHT NOW? You bet your ass they do.
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Call the offensive line heroes, call them mediocre, I don't give a shit. All I'm saying is we're strong in offensive production. We're terrible in defensive production. So laud the offensive line, or don't for all I care, just as long as every sane person realizes that the defense is in much bigger need of attention than the offensive line.
The only question that matters is "how are we going to get better?"
Oh, I think the sane one's realize this.

Not sure about Goat though ...
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I think the importance of RT is considerably overrated. I also think there aren't many great RTs out there. And finally I think it would be stupid to draft/sign an RT just for the hell of it in lieu of a better player at another position
That wasnt the point i was making at all. I never suggested signing a RT just for the hell of it. Still, it is our teams biggest need behind the secondary. It would be difficult to come up with an argument where one of the other offensive starters or front 7 defenders was more ill-suited for a starting role than polumbus on this team.

Again, im not knocking polumbus... he's done exceptionally well for a backup player playing in a starting role, but we need a stronger player at that position - not at the expense of any position on the secondary though.
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Old 11-26-2012, 03:51 PM   #95
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Call the offensive line heroes, call them mediocre, I don't give a shit. All I'm saying is we're strong in offensive production. We're terrible in defensive production. So laud the offensive line, or don't for all I care, just as long as every sane person realizes that the defense is in much bigger need of attention than the offensive line.
The only question that matters is "how are we going to get better?"
I dont think anyone has argued otherwise.
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Old 11-26-2012, 03:52 PM   #96
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We can improve the RT and secondary this offseason. It shouldnt be a problem. Kinda want to see what Compton brings to the Tackle position.
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uhhh, no its not. For the past two games, during the newscast theyve shown stats of RGIII hurried/hits/knockdown/sacked on pass attempts. In both games, there were only 1 or 2 dropbacks where one of those did not occurr. the vast majority where in the Hits and Knockdown columns. RG3 takes a beating, and the worst hits are when he's in the pocket, not when he runs. Griffin is TOUGH, but we need to protect him long-term.

No one is saying not to focus on the secondary. Generally, teams can upgrade more than one position group in an offseason. Unless theres some new rule i'm not aware of that says teams have to pick one group and spend on their draft picks and make all their free agency acquisitions at one position.

As ive already said, in my perspective, the only position groups that actually require upgrading on our team in the offseason are the secondary and o-line. The secondary is - by far- the most glaring need, and one where we probably need 3 new starters, but i dont see why we couldnt add 3 new starting DBs and a new RT in the offseason.
So you're telling me in the last game when he had 28 pass attempts, he was hit 26-27 times? Got a link to back that up?
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That wasnt the point i was making at all. I never suggested signing a RT just for the hell of it. Still, it is our teams biggest need behind the secondary. It would be difficult to come up with an argument where one of the other offensive starters or front 7 defenders was more ill-suited for a starting role than polumbus on this team.

Again, im not knocking polumbus... he's done exceptionally well for a backup player playing in a starting role, but we need a stronger player at that position - not at the expense of any position on the secondary though.
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So you're telling me in the last game when he had 28 pass attempts, he was hit 26-27 times? Got a link to back that up?
as i said, this was an image on live television sometime in the 2nd half of both games. If you tell me how, i'd be more than happy to provide you a link
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oh, who were you replying to? the comment was formatted as if it was a reply, and it seems like im the only one on an island with my opinion lol.
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as i said, this was an image on live television sometime in the 2nd half of both games. If you tell me how, i'd be more than happy to provide you a link
Yeah I remember seeing it, I just don't recall it being that high. That's a little outrageous if you ask me. For some reason I remember it being more like in the range of 9-11 hits/knockdowns in the first half and I don't recall them showing the graphic again the rest of the way.
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oh, who were you replying to? the comment was formatted as if it was a reply, and it seems like im the only one on an island with my opinion lol.
I would have quoted you if I were replying to you
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Old 11-26-2012, 04:25 PM   #103
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Yeah I remember seeing it, I just don't recall it being that high. That's a little outrageous if you ask me. For some reason I remember it being more like in the range of 9-11 hits/knockdowns in the first half and I don't recall them showing the graphic again the rest of the way.
9-11 hits/knockdowns in the first half is outrageously bad... i did just look at nfl.com and it looks like the skins offensive line has allowed the 6th most QB hits in the league:

Eagles: 86
Colts: 74
Cardinals: 73
Jags: 69
Bears: 67
Skins: 63Packers 62

The rest of the teams range in the 30s-50s.

We're also tied with 9th most sacks allowed at 27.

NFL Stats: by Team Category


someone referenced profootballfocus on the site earlier. I'd never been to it before, but checked it out and came across some interesting stuff.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...nder-pressure/

RGIII is the 9th most pressured quarterback in the NFL (pressured on 35% of his dropbacks), but, interestingly, is the NFLs most accurate passer under pressure - Is there anything Griffin does NOT excel at? Again, my concern isnt with RGIIIs decision making due to pressure, but simply the toll it will take on his body over time and he'll have a harder time than most QBs enduring/recovering due to his lanky frame.

Not surprisingly, the NFLs elite quarterbacks (brady, brees, rodgers, the manning brothers) are among the leagues least pressured quarterbacks.
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9-11 hits/knockdowns in the first half is outrageously bad... i did just look at nfl.com and it looks like the skins offensive line has allowed the 6th most QB hits in the league:

Eagles: 86
Colts: 74
Cardinals: 73
Jags: 69
Bears: 67
Skins: 63Packers 62

The rest of the teams range in the 30s-50s.

We're also tied with 9th most sacks allowed at 27.

NFL Stats: by Team Category


someone referenced profootballfocus on the site earlier. I'd never been to it before, but checked it out and came across some interesting stuff.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...nder-pressure/

RGIII is the 9th most pressured quarterback in the NFL (pressured on 35% of his dropbacks), but, interestingly, is the NFLs most accurate passer under pressure - Is there anything Griffin does NOT excel at? Again, my concern isnt with RGIIIs decision making due to pressure, but simply the toll it will take on his body over time and he'll have a harder time than most QBs enduring/recovering due to his lanky frame.

Not surprisingly, the NFLs elite quarterbacks (brady, brees, rodgers, the manning brothers) are among the leagues least pressured quarterbacks.
I would ask if they started out that way. And what I mean is, we have spent a ton of resources just trying to find a starting qb. Now we know, or are very d*** confident, that we have a long term solution I would imagine that our drafting/FA strategies would change somewhat.
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I would have quoted you if I were replying to you
I commented about our needing to upgrade at RT and shortly thereafter you replied hat the importance of a RT was overrated. If you werent replying to me, who were you replying to?

Seems kind of random that you would just randomly make the statement that the importance of an RT was overrated without that being a response to someones comment about an RT.

Please dont interpret my comment as disrespect - as youre about the most respectable person around here. I'm just trying to understand the context for you stating that RT was overrated... because i couldnt disagree more. I dont think position tasked with protecting the most valuable player on this team (and possibly in the entire league) can possibly be considered overrated. I cant imagine an investment more valueable to protect than a franchise QB we just spent 3 first round picks and 1 second to acquire. He's THE reason we've won the games weve won. He's the reason we've been able to survive a secondary as historically attrocious as the one we have. In my opinion, protecting him long-term should be one of our main goals.
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