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Old 11-27-2012, 02:29 PM   #16
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Re: Who are the Coach Killers?

I was hoping Jason Campbell would amount to something. I'm still trying to figure out seven years later what Joe Gibbs saw in him. Gibbs should have drafted Aaron Rodgers instead of Jason Campbell.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:29 PM   #17
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My idea of a coach killer is a guy who puts up numbers or teases you to the point where you think you can win with him, but in the end he just isn't able to get a team over the top and therefore leads to the coach who put too much faith in him getting fired.

So that said I wouldn't put JC on the coach killer list.
That's pretty much what I had in mind as the definition of Coach Killer. My mind might have wandered away from that definition a bit in some cases.

As for JC, I felt that he showed a strong arm and the ability to make some plays his legs. He often moved the team well only to fail to convert touchdowns in the Red Zone. I felt for quite a while that he might get over the hump and become a good NFL starter but he never did. That's why I mentioned him.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:40 PM   #18
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I thought the Tebow thing was more of the owners then the coach.
Oh yeah, in most of these situations, the coach is the scapegoat for the owner's decisions, players, etc. Agree totally.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:50 PM   #19
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I was hoping Jason Campbell would amount to something. I'm still trying to figure out seven years later what Joe Gibbs saw in him. Gibbs should have drafted Aaron Rodgers instead of Jason Campbell.
SF should have drafted Rodgers #1 overall.

A lot of teams made a big mistake that day.
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Old 11-27-2012, 03:15 PM   #20
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I was hoping Jason Campbell would amount to something. I'm still trying to figure out seven years later what Joe Gibbs saw in him. Gibbs should have drafted Aaron Rodgers instead of Jason Campbell.
Someone who was smart, athletic, and could fight his guts out.
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Old 11-27-2012, 03:21 PM   #21
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Re: Who are the Coach Killers?

my definition of a coach killer is completely different.
A coach killer is a superstar talent who refuses to be a team player and undermines his coaches authority.

Jeff George is the classic example for NFL players.
Dwight Howard( NBA ) is another clear example of a coach killer.

Only Jay Cutler and Michael Vick could be considered coach killers.
Vick wanted to do things his way in ATL and often battled Coach Mora.
Cutler also had the same problem in Denver, fortunately the coach was smart enough to trade him. Lately, they've been team players.

The other quarterbacks are guys playing for crappy teams or were poorly scouted.
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Old 11-27-2012, 03:23 PM   #22
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my definition of a coach killer is completely different.
A coach killer is a superstar talent who refuses to be a team player and undermines his coaches authority.

Jeff George is the classic example for NFL players.
Dwight Howard( NBA ) is another clear example of a coach killer.

Only Jay Cutler and Michael Vick could be considered coach killers.
Vick wanted to do things his way in ATL and often battled Coach Mora.
Cutler also had the same problem in Denver, fortunately the coach was smart enough to trade him. Lately, they've been team players.

The other quarterbacks are guys playing for crappy teams or were poorly scouted.
I agree with you...which means your post is the only one worth reading
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Old 11-27-2012, 04:22 PM   #23
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Carson Palmer is NOT TERRIBLE in Oakland. In fact he's basically carrying that offense and has put up pretty good numbers this season.
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Old 11-27-2012, 04:33 PM   #24
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Carson Palmer is NOT TERRIBLE in Oakland. In fact he's basically carrying that offense and has put up pretty good numbers this season.
Good eye, he is playing better now.

The Raiders gave up a first and the next year's second rd pick though. And Palmer had 13 TDs and 16 INTs last season, and Hue Jackson isn't there anymore. I'd say that trade "killed" the coach, even though Palmer isn't that bad.
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Old 11-27-2012, 04:38 PM   #25
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I dont know how Cutler made it on the OP's list. He's a clutch QB and the most valuable player on the team. Just look at how they play with him vs. without him. Josh Freeman is doing the exact opposite of trending towards coach killer. He'll probably never be in the same group of elite players like Brees, Brady, or Rodgers, but he's a good QB who's getting better.

Regarding Cassell, hes a bad QB but he hasnt ruined KC on his own. The mere idea shows that you havent watched them very much. Theryre awful in just about every way imaginable. Cassells a bust, but not a coach-killer. No ones getting fired because of Cassell.

Palmer is not a coach killer either - he is what he is - a former pro-bowler well past his prime.

The rest of the original list is more or less spot-on with my opinion.
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Old 11-27-2012, 04:48 PM   #26
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Carson Palmer is NOT TERRIBLE in Oakland. In fact he's basically carrying that offense and has put up pretty good numbers this season.
i should know, he's my main fantasy qb.

just glad i started dalton this past week.
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Old 11-27-2012, 10:05 PM   #27
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Re: Who are the Coach Killers?

have you seen chicago without cutler? they go from okay to terrible. it's hard to call him a coach killer when he can help them get 10 wins a season.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:52 AM   #28
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Losing LT was big. Sproles hurt big time, Vincent Jackson has been a monster(his stats this year have been jaw dropping)...Rivers been hurt by lose of talent. Still dont know why they let Sproles walk.
I don't know why they let Brees walk.

Sure he hurt his shoulder at the time, but he was always better than Rivers.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:46 AM   #29
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Re: Who are the Coach Killers?

Brees was a pretty big medical risk at the time.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:49 AM   #30
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Re: Who are the Coach Killers?

More like what was the GM or front office thinking?
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