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Old 12-02-2012, 12:26 PM   #46
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Re: KC Chiefs' Player Commits Murder-Suicide

This whole thing hits home with me as I lost a very close friend of mine about 5 years ago to the exact same thing. He shot his wife, and then turned the gun on himself while their 5 year old was outside playing. His kid runs into the house, and then goes next door to where the in-laws were living because he knew something was wrong.

It really is a shame. It saddens me that my friend is gone, but it also angers me he decided to murder his wife and leave his only child a orphan.

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I used to watch Redskins games with him and I think about him quite often during football season. I also agree with Chico (and Tom Jackson) that this day shouldn't be to mourn or celebrate Belcher's life as he was a murderer in the end.
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Old 12-02-2012, 12:49 PM   #47
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If I was his mother I'd be facing murder charges.
Self defence (or defense of another) should be a valid legal defense here.
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Old 12-02-2012, 01:19 PM   #48
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I agree that we should not celebrate the death of a murderer. At the same time, something clearly was wrong with Belcher. I dont know his motivation but it seems he was consumed by remorse when the reality of what he had done confronted him.

In the end, it is simply a tragedy that left two young people dead and a child orphaned.
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Think the NFL is running comercials on domestic violence against women. Just don't understand how someone could do something like this.
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Could've/should've/would've. Read an article that said the ruling sentiment amongst the players was that they should play, to distract themselves from the pain. If that's how they feel I support it.
That's how most players would probably feel. The NFL is a business and players are employees, the NFL has to look at it from a overall effect it had on the whole organization. Sometimes in life you are told what to do by your boss and you listen no matter how you feel.
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Re: KC Chiefs' Player Commits Murder-Suicide

Very sad stuff happening in the NFL today.

Right on NFL.com's front page, they are now reporting that a groundskeeper for the Cleveland Browns was found dead at the facility, he had hung himself in a maintenance shed or something like that.

I fear that this is the beginning of a string of tragedies involving NFL teams, i just think that two deaths like this in the same day is a grisly sign of what could come. I pray that is not the case but it sure seems that way....
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They actually interviewed Vinny for a reference on how another team handled the death of a player at which point I thought, finally something where Vinny can actually contribute which he did for the most part. Talking about the differences in the timeline since it was at the beginning of the week not the day before a game and how they brought in counselors to talk with the team. Even talking about how close Landry was to Taylor and how Sean carpooled with him to practice and games.

Then of course in typical Vinny fashion he screwed it up revealing how Landry had cried after Sean's death, which is obviously normal. I'm sure a lot of us shed tears after the death of 21 but you don't just go on radio and mention someone specifically crying. Heck even Spoelstra in his blunder with the Heat knew not to name names.
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They actually interviewed Vinny for a reference on how another team handled the death of a player at which point I thought, finally something where Vinny can actually contribute which he did for the most part. Talking about the differences in the timeline since it was at the beginning of the week not the day before a game and how they brought in counselors to talk with the team. Even talking about how close Landry was to Taylor and how Sean carpooled with him to practice and games.

Then of course in typical Vinny fashion he screwed it up revealing how Landry had cried after Sean's death, which is obviously normal. I'm sure a lot of us shed tears after the death of 21 but you don't just go on radio and mention someone specifically crying. Heck even Spoelstra in his blunder with the Heat knew not to name names.
Situations totally different, this guy murdered his GF and then killed himself at team facility in front of members of chiefs.
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Shades of the Ray Carruth murders. Belcher must've had some serious demons. I doubt this is brain injury related. Too early in his career to have that kind of brain damage.

Totally assuming (meaning I'm probably completely wrong), when someone kills their partner and then themselves, it sounds like some sort of ensuing breakup. Going to render a guess that the girlfriend may have threatened to leave and take the baby with her.
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In reports, they had stated that he and his girlfriend had been arguing all night since she had come home "Late" from a concert the night before the shooting....
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Situations totally different, this guy murdered his GF and then killed himself at team facility in front of members of chiefs.
True but the underlying topic is the same. How do teams deal with a tragedies that result in death. They were different types no doubt. Murder suicide is worlds different from a guy defending his family from a home invasion. However disbelief, grief, sadness, confusion, etc. All those emotions still come into play.

The main challenge for the Chiefs is how do they reconcile the teammate they thought they knew with the guy who committed an absolutely heinous act.
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True but the underlying topic is the same. How do teams deal with a tragedies that result in death. They were different types no doubt. Murder suicide is worlds different from a guy defending his family from a home invasion. However disbelief, grief, sadness, confusion, etc. All those emotions still come into play.

The main challenge for the Chiefs is how do they reconcile the teammate they thought they knew with the guy who committed an absolutely heinous act.
Only thing similar is someone died, but everyone in this world at one time or another has to deal with death. That's just the way life is, but for people to witness someone kill themselves in a public place at their work center is totally different.

Some people might be affected by that for the rest of their life.
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Clark Hunt, owner of Kansas City Chiefs says 'so many people are hurting' in wake of Jovan Belcher murder-suicide - ESPN


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Very sad stuff happening in the NFL today.

Right on NFL.com's front page, they are now reporting that a groundskeeper for the Cleveland Browns was found dead at the facility, he had hung himself in a maintenance shed or something like that.

I fear that this is the beginning of a string of tragedies involving NFL teams, i just think that two deaths like this in the same day is a grisly sign of what could come. I pray that is not the case but it sure seems that way....
Browns employee suicide: NFL grounds keeper kills himself on same day Kansas City player committed suicide at Arrowhead Stadium | Mail Online

If I'm correct that's now three people who have killed themself at an NFL facility this season.
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Brady Quinn had maybe his best day ever as an NFL QB on the field yesterday...and yet he easily topped it with his post game presser
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