Giants at Redskins Post Game Thread

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by The Goat

NFL Stats: by Team Category

Take a look there sonny. Just six teams have allowed more hits on their QB, and believe four of those QBs are done for the season or been out for multiple games. One thing striking is those teams have serious injury along the oline, whereas we've been remarkably healthy among that group.

Anyway, yep you're right six teams give up more hits and it certainly seems to take it's toll.

I'm more than a little irritated at the stupidity among fans saying the hits don't matter. It's one thing for the 23 yr old goofball on here because he's just a kiddo, but anyone in their 30s, 40s, 50s and upward have seen far too many fantastic QBs sent to early retirement for the beating they took behind a crap oline and/or poor scheme.

Let's not play the fool here...if we want RG3 as a franchise QB the pass protection must improve dramatically.

This will be my only post about this, but basically we're within (most) of the rest of the league, give or take 10 hits. If 10 hits is what determines the longevity of a QB, then strong post to you sir.

I refuse to believe that his "style of play" is what's going to suddenly have him crumbling into a puddle of injury-prone mediocrity. This is also assuming the other guys in the league AREN'T running QBs. If you look at those stats, Luck is going to be out of the league in a year! TOO MANY HITS!!!!!!!! OMGZZ!1!11!

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Redskins were worn down prior to post-bye surge | ProFootballTalk

I believe the team got into a general funk after the loss to the Giants, and Shanahan's speech kind of sparked a new determination. Hopefully it carries through the end of the season.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

This will be my only post about this, but basically we're within (most) of the rest of the league, give or take 10 hits. If 10 hits is what determines the longevity of a QB, then strong post to you sir.

I refuse to believe that his "style of play" is what's going to suddenly have him crumbling into a puddle of injury-prone mediocrity. This is also assuming the other guys in the league AREN'T running QBs. If you look at those stats, Luck is going to be out of the league in a year! TOO MANY HITS!!!!!!!! OMGZZ!1!11!

Herculean post bro

[Hail to the SteelSkins]

From playing College and High-School ball (which is not nearly as intense and draining on the body) I can tell you that playing nine games in a row with out a week off to let your body recoup is really tough. Basically if you are playing at 100%, like not taking it easy during the game, and really working at being the best on every play, its like being in a car accident, you know how you tense up right before impact, and your muscles / body is sore for a week or so after. You basically are causing you body to do that every play for 60 minutes with small breaks of relapse in between plays, which in my opinion from playing, that cool off period hurts worse then helping cause that's when the soreness kicks in and you start to cramp up.

I'm not saying their job is hard by any means... they get paid to play a game (was my dream before blowing out my ACL, and TCL, plus I'm to short to be an NFL O-Lineman 5'11") but the toll it takes on their bodies week in and week out is very intense. All that said I could see that they needed a week to "reduce the swelling" if you will, and hopefully the 10 day break between Turkey Day and Monday was a good second break so they can finish strong.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

That's how you want the crowd to be when you're on offense.

I know that
Usually you see members of the team telling crowd to be quiet in crucial situations where crowd needs to be quiet.{which I saw none of}Im just talking about overall it seemed extra quiet between plays,thats all

[CRedskinsRule]

Eli Manning Height: 6-4 Weight: 218
Robert Griffin III: Height: 6-2 Weight: 217
Brett Favre: Height: 6'2" Weight: 222

I get that Griffin takes hits, but 2 other qbs above with similar build had extremely long "injury free" streaks. Eli rarely takes hits, Favre though was hit fairly frequently in his time in the league, in fact in his first 10 years was sacked more than 25 times in 9 of them. Add in the protection given to qb's nowadays, and the whole hit issue seems like a bit of a red herring.

Now of course, if he were to go down, a lot of people would be saying see!!!, but fact is every year quarterbacks go down. Brady has, Stafford has, Romo has been concussed several times I believe, Aikman left due to concussions. It is a brutal sport, and if teams know that the qb is dangerous, they will want to take as many hits on him as they get paid for (oops, I mean as they can).

[Mattyk]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I know that
Usually you see members of the team telling crowd to be quiet in crucial situations where crowd needs to be quiet.{which I saw none of}Im just talking about overall it seemed extra quiet between plays,thats all

If you know that I'm not sure what we're discussing then.

When we were on defense the crowd seemed pretty damn loud on TV.

[Hail to the SteelSkins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

If you know that I'm not sure what we're discussing then.

When we were on defense the crowd seemed pretty damn loud on TV.

From my friends that went it was ridiculously loud in person too. The one thing we have against us is, that mother F***er is huge, and open roofed. Hard to contain the noise in such a large stadium.

On the other hand, since I'm out in Saint Louis right now the Ed Jones Dome only holds 66,000 and is roofed as opposed to Fed Ex which is at 91,704 and open. Ed Jones Dome can get very loud, but from being in that stadium it's like half the size of fed ex, and there is no where for the sound to escape. The Cowgirls have the same problem with their new stadium.

People talk about RFK but again it was a small stadium. It held 46,000 and in a tight knit circle, it was basically a giant subwoofer.

[htownskinfan]

[QUOTE=Mattyk;971207]If you know that I'm not sure what we're discussing then.

When we were on defense the crowd seemed pretty damn loud on TV.[/QUOTE

Yeah it was loud on def,and i know crowd is supposed to be quiet on off,I just thought at times it seemed way too quiet,but I guess it was only me that got that felling,not a big deal

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

This will be my only post about this, but basically we're within (most) of the rest of the league, give or take 10 hits. If 10 hits is what determines the longevity of a QB, then strong post to you sir.

I refuse to believe that his "style of play" is what's going to suddenly have him crumbling into a puddle of injury-prone mediocrity. This is also assuming the other guys in the league AREN'T running QBs. If you look at those stats, Luck is going to be out of the league in a year! TOO MANY HITS!!!!!!!! OMGZZ!1!11!

You completely ignore the fact that Griffin isnt built as stoutly as a guy like Luck or most of the other mobile starting QBs in the league. He's very lanky and built more like a wide receiver than a quarterback. He doesnt have the build to take as many hits over as long of a period of time.

Earlier in the season, Griffin commented that he's incredibly sore after most games, but he's tough and takes good care of his body so he can recover. His body wont continue to recover so quickly indefinitely. Anyone who thinks Griffin can continue to play exactly like he's playing now and continue taking the kind of hits he's taking for the next 5-10 years is foolish. Hopefully, we'll have a better pass-blocking offensive line and RGIII will become more adept at avoiding the big hits in subsequent seasons.

[Mattyk]

RG3 has room to put on some more weight. I wouldn't be surprised to see him bulk up some more in the coming years.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Eli Manning Height: 6-4 Weight: 218
Robert Griffin III: Height: 6-2 Weight: 217
Brett Favre: Height: 6'2" Weight: 222

I get that Griffin takes hits, but 2 other qbs above with similar build had extremely long "injury free" streaks. Eli rarely takes hits, Favre though was hit fairly frequently in his time in the league, in fact in his first 10 years was sacked more than 25 times in 9 of them. Add in the protection given to qb's nowadays, and the whole hit issue seems like a bit of a red herring.

Now of course, if he were to go down, a lot of people would be saying see!!!, but fact is every year quarterbacks go down. Brady has, Stafford has, Romo has been concussed several times I believe, Aikman left due to concussions. It is a brutal sport, and if teams know that the qb is dangerous, they will want to take as many hits on him as they get paid for (oops, I mean as they can).

Did Griffin lose six pounds??? He was 223 at the combine.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Did Griffin lose six pounds??? He was 223 at the combine.

took it from NFL's stat page.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

took it from NFL's stat page.

I would still lean towards the 223 lb stat from the combine. But going back to the topic, I don't see how his "style of play" which is pass first, and run if need be is gonna magically get him hurt.

[NC_Skins]

Anybody remember this?

Jason Pierre-Paul, New York Giants prepare to face Robert Griffin III, Washington Redskins - ESPN New York

JPP saying don't bring it to his side in regards to the first game.


QB Griffin, 46-yd, run - NFL Videos




Now I can see why he didn't want us to bring it to his side. So we wouldn't make him look like a total clown on national TV



I can see why Coughlin had this look on his face most of the night.