The Patriots making mistakes?

Daseal · 03-03-2005, 02:29 PM

What do you guys think. While looking through the stattracker that was posted I saw the patriots. They have so far cut/lost 8 players, and many were great starters for them!
G Joe Andruzzi (FA, CLE)
WR Troy Brown (cut)
G Wilbert Brown (cut)
TE Zeron Flemister (cut)
CB Ty Law (cut)
CB Earthwind Moreland (cut)
LB Roman Phifer (cut)
DL Buck Rasmussen (cut)

Law, Brown, Phifer, and Andruzzi are the big names. So do you think they've made a mistake letting so many go? Personally I think it could come bite them. Who knows.

djnemo65 · 03-03-2005, 03:00 PM

don't forget they are probably losing bruschi too. still, it is NE.

SkinsRock · 03-03-2005, 03:01 PM

Not to mention both Weiss and Crennell leaving....

Daseal · 03-03-2005, 03:04 PM

Yeah - Weiss/Crennell spells bad things in my opinion.

sportscurmudgeon · 03-03-2005, 03:04 PM

Troy Brown is a media hero because he played both ways - and some on special teams too - for much of last season.

Fact is that he was the #4 wide receiver and the nickel/dime back and at season's end he returned about one punt per game. Translation: he was a sub on defense and a sub on offense and a sub on special teams. HIs versatility is amazing in this day of specialization, but he was a stop-gap everywhere,

If the Pats kept him, he would cost $5M in real money and $5M in salary cap room. That's a lot to pay a guy who is a stop-gap.

Andruzzi may have been a mistake; he is a better than average OL and breaking up OL units can be a bad idea.

Ty Law was a great CB but he broke a bone in his foot and would have been a "$10M-man". That's a big gamble! It could pay off huge for someone if he recovers completely and resumes his place as one of the top 3 CBs in all of the NFL. Or ... he could be just an average CB hauling down some huge coin and sucking your cap dry. Interesting call here...

Moreland is a journeyman at best.

Flemister has been through Washington and is a waiver wire special.

Daseal · 03-03-2005, 03:09 PM

What about Phifer, SC. A starting, very solid linebacker.

DCopper04 · 03-03-2005, 03:14 PM

Who in their right mind would let go of Flemister?

Daseal · 03-03-2005, 03:15 PM

I just posted the whole list. Only a few of them were starters, but some are very good. Andruzzi, law, Phifer, Brown (debatable)

BrudLee · 03-03-2005, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Troy Brown is a media hero because he played both ways - and some on special teams too - for much of last season.

Fact is that he was the #4 wide receiver and the nickel/dime back and at season's end he returned about one punt per game. Translation: he was a sub on defense and a sub on offense and a sub on special teams. HIs versatility is amazing in this day of specialization, but he was a stop-gap everywhere,

If the Pats kept him, he would cost $5M in real money and $5M in salary cap room. That's a lot to pay a guy who is a stop-gap.

I'm frequently wrong, but I think Brown's role in the offense was reduced after he started playing both ways. That doesn't change the fact that the receiving corps in NE stepped into the role, but it does speak volumes about Brown that he reduced his role to help the team, at the cost of his own job. I suppose he still has his three Super Bowl rings to keep him company.

skin4Life28 · 03-03-2005, 03:19 PM

Odds are Brown will be back with NE. He said he wants to test the FA pool, but odds are that he will be back in NE. And out of all those cuts the only that hurts is Andruzzi. They will get someone to fill in.

Daseal · 03-03-2005, 03:28 PM

You mean how Pierce and Smoot want to test to free agent pool? =p

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-03-2005, 03:46 PM

Ha. Nice one. I'm getting to where I don't care anymore. I just wish we could retain MOST of our players (which it seems we are doing) and addressing our glaring needs. I'm sick of being concerned about players whos only concerns are loyalty to themselves.

hurrykaine · 03-03-2005, 03:50 PM

Man, losing Wilbert Brown and Zero Flemister sure hurts their chances next year...I'm selling! hahahahaha

PSUskinsfan11 · 03-03-2005, 04:13 PM

Losing Law isn't a big deal because he was a huge cap number and they just traded for Duane Starks and he will do just fine.

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-03-2005, 04:23 PM

With the way that Dallas has been signing people, maybe Law will go there?

03-03-2005, 02:29 PM	#1
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,058	The Patriots making mistakes? What do you guys think. While looking through the stattracker that was posted I saw the patriots. They have so far cut/lost 8 players, and many were great starters for them! G Joe Andruzzi (FA, CLE) WR Troy Brown (cut) G Wilbert Brown (cut) TE Zeron Flemister (cut) CB Ty Law (cut) CB Earthwind Moreland (cut) LB Roman Phifer (cut) DL Buck Rasmussen (cut) Law, Brown, Phifer, and Andruzzi are the big names. So do you think they've made a mistake letting so many go? Personally I think it could come bite them. Who knows.

03-03-2005, 03:00 PM	#2
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Location: MA Age: 32 Posts: 2,836	Re: The Patriots making mistakes? don't forget they are probably losing bruschi too. still, it is NE.

03-03-2005, 03:01 PM	#3
SkinsRock Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Crofton, MD Age: 43 Posts: 907	Re: The Patriots making mistakes? Not to mention both Weiss and Crennell leaving....

03-03-2005, 03:04 PM	#5
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: The Patriots making mistakes? Troy Brown is a media hero because he played both ways - and some on special teams too - for much of last season. Fact is that he was the #4 wide receiver and the nickel/dime back and at season's end he returned about one punt per game. Translation: he was a sub on defense and a sub on offense and a sub on special teams. HIs versatility is amazing in this day of specialization, but he was a stop-gap everywhere, If the Pats kept him, he would cost $5M in real money and $5M in salary cap room. That's a lot to pay a guy who is a stop-gap. Andruzzi may have been a mistake; he is a better than average OL and breaking up OL units can be a bad idea. Ty Law was a great CB but he broke a bone in his foot and would have been a "$10M-man". That's a big gamble! It could pay off huge for someone if he recovers completely and resumes his place as one of the top 3 CBs in all of the NFL. Or ... he could be just an average CB hauling down some huge coin and sucking your cap dry. Interesting call here... Moreland is a journeyman at best. Flemister has been through Washington and is a waiver wire special. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

03-03-2005, 03:09 PM	#6
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,058	Re: The Patriots making mistakes? What about Phifer, SC. A starting, very solid linebacker.

03-03-2005, 03:04 PM	#4
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,058	Re: The Patriots making mistakes? Yeah - Weiss/Crennell spells bad things in my opinion.

03-03-2005, 03:14 PM	#7
DCopper04 Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 59	Re: The Patriots making mistakes? Who in their right mind would let go of Flemister?

03-03-2005, 03:15 PM	#8
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,058	Re: The Patriots making mistakes? I just posted the whole list. Only a few of them were starters, but some are very good. Andruzzi, law, Phifer, Brown (debatable)

03-03-2005, 03:19 PM	#10
skin4Life28 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Raleigh, NC Age: 26 Posts: 447	Re: The Patriots making mistakes? Odds are Brown will be back with NE. He said he wants to test the FA pool, but odds are that he will be back in NE. And out of all those cuts the only that hurts is Andruzzi. They will get someone to fill in.

03-03-2005, 03:28 PM	#11
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,058	Re: The Patriots making mistakes? You mean how Pierce and Smoot want to test to free agent pool? =p

03-03-2005, 03:46 PM	#12
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 31 Posts: 17,120	Re: The Patriots making mistakes? Ha. Nice one. I'm getting to where I don't care anymore. I just wish we could retain MOST of our players (which it seems we are doing) and addressing our glaring needs. I'm sick of being concerned about players whos only concerns are loyalty to themselves. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

03-03-2005, 03:50 PM	#13
hurrykaine Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Washington, D.C. Age: 39 Posts: 762	Re: The Patriots making mistakes? Man, losing Wilbert Brown and Zero Flemister sure hurts their chances next year...I'm selling! hahahahaha

03-03-2005, 04:13 PM	#14
PSUskinsfan11 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: the port, PA Age: 28 Posts: 692	Re: The Patriots making mistakes? Losing Law isn't a big deal because he was a huge cap number and they just traded for Duane Starks and he will do just fine.

03-03-2005, 04:23 PM	#15
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 31 Posts: 17,120	Re: The Patriots making mistakes? With the way that Dallas has been signing people, maybe Law will go there? __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

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