Ravens at Redskins Post Game Thread (RG3 MRI Result-Sprained Knee)

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

So if he thinks Griff is going to play what is he supposed to say? I get your point but again - what if he really thinks he will play?

Shanahan is much like Bellicheat in that fact that neither like to give hardly any info in regards to injuries or whether or not a player will play. I would not be surprised if he's listed as a "game time" decision whether they plan to play him or not.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

NC, you've got problems.

Or you don't read what you write. Or there's something missing.

Probably time to move on and get a life, obviously this is way to much for you. And disagreeing with me makes my case. Have at it.

Somebody forgot to take their meds today.


Moving on....how about that big win yesterday???

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

This stat is more important in my opinion. We've left a great deal of points off the board due to our offenses inconsistency at converting 3rd downs and moving the chains.


Grant Paulsen ‏@granthpaulsen

Yes. 3rd downs have been problematic all year. 29th of 32 teams. RT @NC_Skins23 What's that 3rd down conversion percentage? Still horrible?

Ranking 29th out of 32 teams in 3rd down conversion is pathetic. Makes me mad to no end that this offense is so potent, but stalls out on 3rd downs. What really infuriates me is when I see a option pitch play on 3rd and short. Makes me want to drive to DC to choke Kyle.

Who gives a damn about stats? Would you rather have a team be 50% on 3rd down but average 17 points? The bottom line is the offense is scoring enough points to win games. 31 points yesterday should win most games!!! I think the issue with 3rd down is when teams know when we have to pass then that's the weakness. It's a combination of the line, RG3 feeling comfortable letting plays develop/not wanting to take off running, and the wr's hanging on the the ball. We have to remember that we have a 22 year old rookie playing QB. As time goes on he will develop into a better passer. His footwork in the pocket is a little off but that will improve. He's a gym rat. But again, look at this offense from last year to this year. It's night and day.But I agee, Kyle need to ditch the pitch!

[WilbursHomie]

Who ever goes next week I think it's safe to say that we all feel a lot better about our chances with old Kirk Sleeves Cousins after he went berserk last Sunday.

[Mattyk]

With just a grade I sprain RG3 should be able to play this week and be pretty close to his usual self.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Swarley

is this real life?

Kerrigan has been rather good without a consistent pass rushing force on the other side.

Kerrigan has been taken out by average LT's throughout the season. I will take back my statement that he can't cut because he is an average player on the outside. Obviously like most people on this board I have been watching every game almost every play and almost every time they leave Kerrigan on an island with one tackle and he does the same bull rush move that he always does and never gets pressure. He got pressure on the Ravens once and that was when the let him get a free run at Flacco. Obviously this year we need to upgrade the team's pass rush because pass rush: good pass defense.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Kerrigan certainly benefits from having Orakpo on the other side, but I have to disagree with the idea that he "cannot cut it". His total tackles are slightly down from last year, but his sack totals will likely be higher. He obviously hasn't had quite the same impact as last season, but that's to be expected when the primary pass rusher is on IR and he has to pick up the slack, basically by himself.

And in spite of the fact that the Redskins were gouged by Ray Rice yesterday, they're still seventh in the league against the run, and giving up less than 100 yards per game. They are by no means, bad against the run.

We are 16th and YPA, so we are mediocre, against the run it is just that teams don't try to run the ball against us because we are so bad against the pass. Otherwise we would be worst against the run. Plus our offense is so high tempo that we force other teams to pass more often.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

So many MD's on the Warpath.

You know, there are people that hold valid medical experience in the world. Not saying that I am a doctor, but I am a registered nurse, EMT-I and combat medic, who was the NCOIC of the Department of Anesthesia at Eisenhower Army Medical Center, and now the Operations NCO for the Reserve Component Medical Evaluation Board. I do know a little bit about medicine, even though I'm not a doctor.

That being said, rest for ANY injury is never a bad thing, but I'd wager RG3 will be ready to roll come this Sunday.

[CultBrennan59]

Its amazing to me how great and dominant Kerrigan can be with Orakpo and how medicore he can be without Orakpo.

MS said that he wants this defense to be a version of the Pittsburgh steelers defense and he envisioned Ryan Kerrigan and Orakpo as LaMaar Woodley and James Harrison.

Sad thing is that Orakpo at his best is barely a Woodley. Kerrigan isn't as good or comparable as the Woodley or Harrison. I think back to last year with Woodley playing and Harrison sitting out and Woodley is being double and sometimes triple teamed; and still is getting pressure or sacks.

Kerrigan used to be doubled teamed fairly regularly; now he gets singled teamed and taken out of games fairly easily. And yes, Kerrigan does only have one move; thats the Bull rush; and one move as a pass rusher isn't going to cut it.

I remember smoot saying we were thinking about trading Orakpo earlier in the year; I hope to god that the Redskins have some common sense now and see that we need him.

Side note; we need to draft a pass rusher that has more than 2 moves..

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by donofriose

We are 16th and YPA, so we are mediocre, against the run it is just that teams don't try to run the ball against us because we are so bad against the pass. Otherwise we would be worst against the run. Plus our offense is so high tempo that we force other teams to pass more often.

Very true statement. The ease with which Joe frikkin Flacco picked us apart in the first half was disgusting. Hopefully, C Griff will upgrade the CB just a tad when he gets back, and hopefully we can get the terrible tandem of Doughty and Madoodoo WIlliams back on the bench. Our safety play is the most important position to fill come the offseason. Just one average player at either of the safety positions would translate into a much better pass defense, and with the addition of Orakpo coming back, it will be that much better. Things are definitely looking up for the defense, as long as we can get rid of Doughty and Williams.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Very true statement. The ease with which Joe frikkin Flacco picked us apart in the first half was disgusting. Hopefully, C Griff will upgrade the CB just a tad when he gets back, and hopefully we can get the terrible tandem of Doughty and Madoodoo WIlliams back on the bench. Our safety play is the most important position to fill come the offseason. Just one average player at either of the safety positions would translate into a much better pass defense, and with the addition of Orakpo coming back, it will be that much better. Things are definitely looking up for the defense, as long as we can get rid of Doughty and Williams.

I'll admit; our defense has been gelling a lot better lately, and that we have been playing well in the 2nd half (its too bad we can't adjust in the first half; then the defense would be ranked higher)

Watching the game yesterday, beside our poor pass rush and our awful secondary, I noticed yesterday on the two Boldin TDs that we had Madieu ''doo doo'' williams playing cover 1 (meaning center field safety). He is, well by seeing boldin had 2 TDs, awful at that. But a safety who is great at that..Jarius Byrd. As a matter of fact, thats really all Buffalo has him playing...not saying, just saying (oh whats that he's going to be a FA ?!?)

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Who gives a damn about stats? Would you rather have a team be 50% on 3rd down but average 17 points? The bottom line is the offense is scoring enough points to win games. 31 points yesterday should win most games!!! I think the issue with 3rd down is when teams know when we have to pass then that's the weakness. It's a combination of the line, RG3 feeling comfortable letting plays develop/not wanting to take off running, and the wr's hanging on the the ball. We have to remember that we have a 22 year old rookie playing QB. As time goes on he will develop into a better passer. His footwork in the pocket is a little off but that will improve. He's a gym rat. But again, look at this offense from last year to this year. It's night and day.But I agee, Kyle need to ditch the pitch!

It's not all on RGIII with those 3rd down conversions and I'm not suggesting it is. It's a mix of everything. Penalties, drops, play calling, bad passes, and so on. I understand not converting a 3rd and long on a high percentage, but it's the 3rd and shorts that we don't convert that simply drive me up the wall. Kyle often times likes to get cute with a 3rd and short only for it to backfire. I've seen several of those damn pitch plays on 3rd and short which chaps my ass.

In the end, more often or not if you aren't converting 3rd downs, you most likely are going to be on the losing end of a 60 minute match. So far, I think we've had some severe breaks go our way (fumble for TD, fumble not recovered in-bounds) which have been deciding factors in our winning. You can't expect luck that good to continue though so it's better we not rely on that luck.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

It's not all on RGIII with those 3rd down conversions and I'm not suggesting it is. It's a mix of everything. Penalties, drops, play calling, bad passes, and so on. I understand not converting a 3rd and long on a high percentage, but it's the 3rd and shorts that we don't convert that simply drive me up the wall. Kyle often times likes to get cute with a 3rd and short only for it to backfire. I've seen several of those damn pitch plays on 3rd and short which chaps my ass.

In the end, more often or not if you aren't converting 3rd downs, you most likely are going to be on the losing end of a 60 minute match. So far, I think we've had some severe breaks go our way (fumble for TD, fumble not recovered in-bounds) which have been deciding factors in our winning. You can't expect luck that good to continue though so it's better we not rely on that luck.

I actually thought that we convert around 75% of 3rd and 5 or less, and it plummets to around 20% for 3rd and 6 and higher. I could have sworn I heard that somewhere.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

I actually thought that we convert around 75% of 3rd and 5 or less, and it plummets to around 20% for 3rd and 6 and higher. I could have sworn I heard that somewhere.

Not sure of the breakdown actually. I think the penalties have a impact on why we end up on 3rd and long often. Which makes sense since we are one of the most penalized teams in the league. That isn't going to bode well for anybody.

[Mattyk]

Yeah 3rd and long has been our main problem.

Good thing we're able to make up for it in other areas, like big plays.