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Old 09-25-2013, 02:22 PM   #166
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Griffin was far better than Wilson when healthy last year. He'll also be better when we look at their careers at the end.

You can't solely judge a QB's ability by the number of wins his team has, there are other factors such as defenses that can help a less-talented QB win more.

The Ravens proved this BOTH times they've won a Super Bowl.
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Old 09-25-2013, 02:40 PM   #167
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Griffin was far better than Wilson when healthy last year. He'll also be better when we look at their careers at the end.

You can't solely judge a QB's ability by the number of wins his team has, there are other factors such as defenses that can help a less-talented QB win more.

The Ravens proved this BOTH times they've won a Super Bowl.
Russell Wilson has the highest qb rating since week 9 of last yr,higher than Peyton Manning,just something to think about
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:37 AM   #168
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We needed a qb desperately so at the time I was very happy with getting RG3.Theres no way to know if Wilson would have played as well with us as he has in seattle,so many different factors involved.

If you knew Wilson would have played as well with us has he has for seattle then its a no brainer,you draft him and keep your draft picks that we desperately needed to overcome the cap penalty.

Add on top of that 2 knee surgeries for RG3 in 4 yrs and people are screaming "he needs to run more!!" I just do not see a healthy career in his future
I hate to say it but I think RG3 is gonna be one of those guys we look back at and say "what if"
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We needed a qb desperately so at the time I was very happy with getting RG3.Theres no way to know if Wilson would have played as well with us as he has in seattle,so many different factors involved.

If you knew Wilson would have played as well with us has he has for seattle then its a no brainer,you draft him and keep your draft picks that we desperately needed to overcome the cap penalty.

Add on top of that 2 knee surgeries for RG3 in 4 yrs and people are screaming "he needs to run more!!" I just do not see a healthy career in his future
I hate to say it but I think RG3 is gonna be one of those guys we look back at and say "what if"
I hate to say it too but I think you are right. They will use his pre-injury rookie season as the bench mark that he will never reach again. Hopefully we are wrong.
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Russell Wilson has the highest qb rating since week 9 of last yr,higher than Peyton Manning,just something to think about

This was posted in another thread. RW is starting to look pretty good especially if we had gotten to keep our 3 first round.

IDK 3 first round picks and RW vs. just RGIII. Looks like SEA has won so far.
They've won only because RW has not had a major knee injury. If RG3 was sucking it up without the injury, then yes they would've "won".
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:48 AM   #171
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You cant just say anybody won after a year. You gotta look at the career and circumstances. But Russel Wilson is proven now. No question. RG3 is proven. But the challenges are different for both. Right now, if Seattle is not in the superbowl, its a failure. flat out failure. If RG3 doesnt play all 16 games or re injuries a knee, its a failure.
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i know, and yes you want the better QB regardless of the draft picks. Even put Luck in the equation...ceiling is still higher with RG3 over both Luck and Wilson.
objectively i think its luck over rg3 at this point in time.
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Russell Wilson has the highest qb rating since week 9 of last yr,higher than Peyton Manning,just something to think about
i have not gotten to watch a lot of wilson but a qbs particular success depends a lot on the surrounding cast and whether the offensive scheme is tailored to the qb's skill set ... just hard to take comparable qbs and say what qb is better in a vacuum bc the games and stats arent earned in a vacuum.

i am disappointed rg3 is getting gently placed under the bus by a growing segment of skins fans.

he is in year 2, after major reconstructive knee surgery . . . hes going to be here for a long long time and i have no doubt that given the right team we will win a superbowl with him under center.
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Old 09-26-2013, 12:23 PM   #174
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Russell Wilson likely will go down as a draft day steal, but there was no way the Skins were picking him as their starter, so it's just not a valid what if. If there is one team that came away from that draft with a legitimate what if question it has to be the Browns.
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You cant just say anybody won after a year. You gotta look at the career and circumstances. But Russel Wilson is proven now. No question. RG3 is proven. But the challenges are different for both. Right now, if Seattle is not in the superbowl, its a failure. flat out failure. If RG3 doesnt play all 16 games or re injuries a knee, its a failure.
How you think that I have no ideal? He's a 3rd round pick making rookie wage scale money in his 2nd yr,how is it a flat out failure?
If you wanna say that about Peyton Manning and the Broncos,with all theyve invested in manning and the weapons surrounding him,then I'm with you

I dont see it with Wilson.Why is it not a flat out failure if were not in the Superbowl? We gave up a lot more to get Rg3,I dont see your reasoning
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i have not gotten to watch a lot of wilson but a qbs particular success depends a lot on the surrounding cast and whether the offensive scheme is tailored to the qb's skill set ... just hard to take comparable qbs and say what qb is better in a vacuum bc the games and stats arent earned in a vacuum.

i am disappointed rg3 is getting gently placed under the bus by a growing segment of skins fans.

he is in year 2, after major reconstructive knee surgery . . . hes going to be here for a long long time and i have no doubt that given the right team we will win a superbowl with him under center.
He certainly is learning a lot about how fickle this fan base is. I will say at the beginning of last year I was all about let's wait and see, but by the end of the season I was starting the off-season mancrush thread.

Hard to say where he will end up, but I tend to believe it will be closer to mancrush thread status then the wait and see mantra.
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He certainly is learning a lot about how fickle this fan base is. I will say at the beginning of last year I was all about let's wait and see, but by the end of the season I was starting the off-season mancrush thread.

Hard to say where he will end up, but I tend to believe it will be closer to mancrush thread status then the wait and see mantra.
If this team is 1-2 and not 0-3, then I seriously doubt there is even a discussion about RGIII. The simple sight of 0-3 is enough to put fans on suicide watch. But it's funny the expectations people have of a guy eight or nine months removed from a very serious knee injury/surgery.
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If this team is 1-2 and not 0-3, then I seriously doubt there is even a discussion about RGIII. The simple sight of 0-3 is enough to put fans on suicide watch. But it's funny the expectations people have of a guy eight or nine months removed from a very serious knee injury/surgery.
That's just crazy talk. RGIII can run for 100 yards and three touchdowns with two broken legs.
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Wilson is pretty good but he's not on the level of RG3, Griffin is already a top 10 QB in the NFL, Wilson is not yet. Luck is better than Wilson
Maybe last year.
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How you think that I have no ideal? He's a 3rd round pick making rookie wage scale money in his 2nd yr,how is it a flat out failure?
If you wanna say that about Peyton Manning and the Broncos,with all theyve invested in manning and the weapons surrounding him,then I'm with you

I dont see it with Wilson.Why is it not a flat out failure if were not in the Superbowl? We gave up a lot more to get Rg3,I dont see your reasoning
personally I didnt think RG3 coming off surgery would be able to lead the team to a SB this year.

Wilson is surrounded by a great team, an awesome defense, and a great home field advantage. Plus his front office isnt restrained by an almost 20 million dollar cap disadvantage and a Father/Son offense scheme who cant get on the same page.
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