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Old 09-29-2013, 11:50 AM   #211
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We traded our 2012 1st rd pick, our 2012 2nd rd pick, our 2013 1st rd pick, and our 2014 1st rd pick to the Rams. Four picks.

About the Rams 2012 pick we got in exchange, we spent it drafting RG3.

Our cost in this trade was four picks, 3 1sts and a 2nd. We could have drafted four players with those picks, instead of getting RG3.
To be honest, I really dont care. It just gets annoying when people say we gve up 3 first rounders.
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Old 09-29-2013, 12:05 PM   #212
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To be honest, I really dont care. It just gets annoying when people say we gve up 3 first rounders.
Annoyed me since day one. Griff is a first round pick - no matter what he has bought or brings to the table he is a first round pick. Im with you 100 %.
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Old 09-29-2013, 01:20 PM   #213
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Not the "how many picks?" argument again!

Both sides are correct:
we gave up three first rounders GROSS
we gave up two first rounders NET

Can we please move on?
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Old 09-29-2013, 01:56 PM   #214
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Not the "how many picks?" argument again!

Both sides are correct:
we gave up three first rounders GROSS
we gave up two first rounders NET

Can we please move on?
Smh at people forgetting the second rounder which is kinda important, and down playing what we paid to get RG3.

the choice in this thread is this: RG3 or 4 other players.

If we pick Russell Wilson in the first round we also have a second round pick added to our roster then and another first round pick player this year and we look forward to getting our first-round pick the next draft that we don't have now. with the benefit of hindsight we have Russell Wilson and a first round pick from 2012 draft and another first round pick on our roster now ( and to be fair a slide into the second round wasn't unexpected for Wilson at the time) and again we look forward to our next draft having a first round pick.

Thats the choice. RG3 or RW and 3 other 1st round players or RW and 2 1sts and a 2nd.

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Old 09-29-2013, 02:02 PM   #215
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Not the "how many picks?" argument again!

Both sides are correct:
we gave up three first rounders GROSS
we gave up two first rounders NET

Can we please move on?
I agree!
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Nobody was picking RW in the 1st round. If Shanallen did that, they would have been crucified, and Wilson would not get the chance by the fans. Heck, he might not beat out Cousins, with the way Redskins qb history goes. (assuming we still pick Cousins, but maybe we don't because unlike Griffin who was the unquestioned starter so Shanahan could get a second qb he liked, he may have felt it would be too much pressure.)

What if's are ok for ROI futures, but as hindsight tool, they almost always are worthless. You can't pick one moment out of the past and assume changing it leaves all the other variables equal.
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Old 09-29-2013, 02:13 PM   #217
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Smh at people forgetting the second rounder which is kinda important, and down playing what we paid to get RG3.

the choice in this thread is this: RG3 or 4 other players.

If we pick Russell Wilson in the first round we also have a second round pick added to our roster then and another first round pick player this year and we look forward to getting our first-round pick the next draft that we don't have now. with the benefit of hindsight we have Russell Wilson and a first round pick from 2012 draft and another first round pick on our roster now ( and to be fair a slide into the second round wasn't unexpected for Wilson at the time) and again we look forward to our next draft having a first round pick.

Thats the choice. RG3 or RW and 3 other 1st round players or RW and 2 1sts and a 2nd.
You missed the point. I have not forgotten the second rounder. But the fallacious arguments have been phrased in terms of first rounders only.

Again I say, can we please move on?
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You missed the point. I have not forgotten the second rounder. But the fallacious arguments have been phrased in terms of first rounders only.

Again I say, can we please move on?
( throws up hands) okay fine. Its either

RG3

or

RW and additionally 3 first round picks.

Thats the choice.
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so now we're doing what? doing a redraft with 100% perfect foresight? do the other teams get that too? cause it might change an awful lot of things. i know i'd be betting 2million on the superbowl myself and i wouldn't be nearly as concerned with who the skins got at QB .


unless you got a time machine it's a bit late to pretend you can change the past. and if griffin goes out and throws 4 TDs today the people that started this thread will go disappear into the woodwork again, or say that the trade was a great idea.

it must be hard never being wrong about anything and always being able to change your opinion on a whim while pretending it was your position all along.

season is early, the cap hit and the injury hurt, the D went from okay to OMGWTF bad. let's see if it can get turned around. the entire NFC East is in a nosedive right now.
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Old 09-29-2013, 02:27 PM   #220
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CRed and That Guy are right. Hindsight is pointless because we do not know what might have changed.

Everyone knew that we were QB hungry. If we didn't make the trade with the Rams, maybe we would have taken Tannehill. Maybe not.

If we hadn't taken Tannehill, people might have traded up to get to Cousins or Wilson before we did. In this scenario, we kept our picks, but left the draft without RGIII, Tannehill, Cousins, or Wilson.

No one can know for sure what would have happened without the Rams trade.
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Not the "how many picks?" argument again!

Both sides are correct:
we gave up three first rounders GROSS
we gave up two first rounders NET

Can we please move on?
Yes but unlike a paycheck uncle sam does not keep the difference.
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Yes but unlike a paycheck uncle sam does not keep the difference.
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the choice of this thread is -rw-or rg3. we would have picked Wilson in the second round not the first.

its either RG3

Or RW and additionally 3 first round picks.

funny thing is if RG 3 stays elite and healthy the trade could work out for us. but lets not act like we didn't pay an extremely high price for him.
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the choice of this thread is -rw-or rg3. we would have picked Wilson in the second round not the first.

its either RG3

Or RW and additionally 3 first round picks.

funny thing is if RG 3 stays elite and healthy the trade could work out for us. but lets not act like we didn't pay an extremely high price for him.
You must be Mike Shanahan, because he is the only person on earth who could know that for sure.
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the choice of this thread is -rw-or rg3. we would have picked Wilson in the second round not the first.

its either RG3

Or RW and additionally 3 first round picks.

funny thing is if RG 3 stays elite and healthy the trade could work out for us. but lets not act like we didn't pay an extremely high price for him.
And the jets should have drafted Marino, and warren sapp went way to late, and soooo many teams passed on tom brady. Come on? In retrospect obviously taking russel wilson and keeping the picks might seem wise about now. Lets see how careers unfold. Nobody thought Russel was going to be so good. Even the Seahawks or they would not have grabbed matt flynn for no reason.
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