Are you buying into the Shanaplan?

SmootSmack · 12-19-2012, 10:11 PM

I hate John Beck the QB, think he's beyond awful. And manipulated everyone with his "I'm rounding up the players for lockout practices"

But...we make too big a deal out of his year here. We traded Doug Dutch...DOUG DUTCH!!!...for him. That's a mistake? But somehow, not drafting Blaine Gabbert high or Ponder or even Locker (who I would have taken) is overlooked.

Anyhow, carry on

BigHairedAristocrat · 12-19-2012, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Overall Kyle has done a nice job but I still think he is too conservative with RG3. Last week was the most aggressive I've seen him call the game this year. Not as many wr screens and shorts passes.

Wr screens and short passes are important because they keep our defense off the field. Long, slow, methodical scoring drives, with the occasional deep pass to keep defenses honest. That's how we win.

Ruhskins · 12-19-2012, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Overall Kyle has done a nice job but I still think he is too conservative with RG3. Last week was the most aggressive I've seen him call the game this year. Not as many wr screens and shorts passes.

Funny you say that, because I always thought that he always went for the deep throw on 3rd and short earlier in the season when we were terrible at converting 3rd downs. I must say it is nice to see our team making the big plays and I am glad that RG3 is connecting with his receivers on those deep throws. Although I wish I wouldn't have a heart attack anytime someone throws to Hank deep.

rbanerjee23 · 12-19-2012, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I hate John Beck the QB, think he's beyond awful. And manipulated everyone with his "I'm rounding up the players for lockout practices"

But...we make too big a deal out of his year here. We traded Doug Dutch...DOUG DUTCH!!!...for him. That's a mistake? But somehow, not drafting Blaine Gabbert high or Ponder or even Locker (who I would have taken) is overlooked.

Anyhow, carry on

so despite all the bad decisions Shanahan has made, and he has made some bad ones, we should give him credit for not making other bad decisions?

Nobody is perfect and expecting a Redskins head coach to be perfect is a fool's errand -- RG3 is fantastic (pulling the trigger on him took some real cajones),the tweaked offense is quite impressive and being in control of the NFC East division race with two weeks left has decimated my work productivity

.

That being said -- if we take a slight step backwards, we see the McNabb, Beck, Grossman fiasco among others as well as an overall record of 19-27.
So my honest answer is no, I haven't bought in but I'm close. Winning the East and 1 playoff win would go a long way.

SmootSmack · 12-19-2012, 11:34 PM

Not at all the point I'm making

artmonkforhallofamein07 · 12-19-2012, 11:35 PM

If those moves had worked out we wouldn't be here now with RG III and cousins. BTW no coach is perfect at evaluating talent or there wouldn't be a 50% fail rate with 1st round picks.

rbanerjee23 · 12-19-2012, 11:44 PM

So what is your point? If you note, I framed it as a question

SmootSmack · 12-20-2012, 12:25 AM

I mean John Beck was a minor, irrelevant move. If anything, just getting Beck rather than a full commitment to Gabbert (as an example) was the better move

rbanerjee23 · 12-20-2012, 12:46 AM

I disagree that it was a minor move -- I mean we went into last season with him as the starter

SmootSmack · 12-20-2012, 12:58 AM

we went into last season with Rex as the starter

Regardless, still think it was small potatoes on the grand scale

artmonkforhallofamein07 · 12-20-2012, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

we went into last season with Rex as the starter

Regardless, still think it was small potatoes on the grand scale

In the grand scheme of things: The NFL was in a lockout. They didn't see a guy they liked enough to waste resources. Decided to wait, and damned if it hasn't been the best damn thing to happen to this franchise in a long fn time.

JoeRedskin · 12-20-2012, 05:53 AM

^^^ Ding ding ding ... we have a winner.

They took a stab at the QB position with McNabb - it didn't work out. Was it a bad move? In hindsight, absolutely. At the time, I wasn't against it.

Beck and Grossman were the non-moves of the decade. If not for them, we have Gabbert.

rbanerjee23 · 12-20-2012, 06:09 AM

Well in that case I have a newfound respect for Shanahan's/Allen's prescience -- I also didn't realize it was okay to throw away a season to wait for a new QB. They should have told the people who bought tickets for the games

artmonkforhallofamein07 · 12-20-2012, 08:43 AM

So going back to 2011, who would you have brought in to play QB?

skinsfan69 · 12-20-2012, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I hate John Beck the QB, think he's beyond awful. And manipulated everyone with his "I'm rounding up the players for lockout practices"

But...we make too big a deal out of his year here. We traded Doug Dutch...DOUG DUTCH!!!...for him. That's a mistake? But somehow, not drafting Blaine Gabbert high or Ponder or even Locker (who I would have taken) is overlooked.

Anyhow, carry on

It's not the trade. It's Mike Shanahan saying "he'd put his reputation" on John Beck being a good QB. He actualy tried to sell that nonsense to the fans. WTF was he looking at that made him think Beck could play? But that's all in the past. Hopefully we're headed in the right direction, but I can't say I'm 100% on board simply because of a 5 game win steak.

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12-19-2012, 10:11 PM	#151
SmootSmack The Bluths Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,220	Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan? I hate John Beck the QB, think he's beyond awful. And manipulated everyone with his "I'm rounding up the players for lockout practices" But...we make too big a deal out of his year here. We traded Doug Dutch...DOUG DUTCH!!!...for him. That's a mistake? But somehow, not drafting Blaine Gabbert high or Ponder or even Locker (who I would have taken) is overlooked. Anyhow, carry on __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

12-19-2012, 11:34 PM	#155
SmootSmack The Bluths Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,220	Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan? Not at all the point I'm making __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

12-19-2012, 11:35 PM	#156
artmonkforhallofamein07 HST - "Hey Rube" Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Charleston , SC Posts: 3,940	Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan? If those moves had worked out we wouldn't be here now with RG III and cousins. BTW no coach is perfect at evaluating talent or there wouldn't be a 50% fail rate with 1st round picks. __________________ Robert Griffin III welcome to the Washington Redskins! Year 1 - NFC EAST Champions at 10-6 Year 2 - Comeback player of the year??? 12-4??? Divisional round playoff game at home??? Superbowl??? 8-8 or worse??? We just have to wait impatiently to find out. http://site.fandangoracinginc.com/

12-19-2012, 11:44 PM	#157
rbanerjee23 The Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,320	Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan? So what is your point? If you note, I framed it as a question __________________ "Tough times don't last but tough people do" -Mike Shanahan HTTR

12-20-2012, 12:25 AM	#158
SmootSmack The Bluths Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,220	Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan? I mean John Beck was a minor, irrelevant move. If anything, just getting Beck rather than a full commitment to Gabbert (as an example) was the better move __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

12-20-2012, 12:46 AM	#159
rbanerjee23 The Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,320	Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan? I disagree that it was a minor move -- I mean we went into last season with him as the starter __________________ "Tough times don't last but tough people do" -Mike Shanahan HTTR

12-20-2012, 12:58 AM	#160
SmootSmack The Bluths Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,220	Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan? we went into last season with Rex as the starter Regardless, still think it was small potatoes on the grand scale __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

12-20-2012, 05:53 AM	#162
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 50 Posts: 7,219	Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan? ^^^ Ding ding ding ... we have a winner. They took a stab at the QB position with McNabb - it didn't work out. Was it a bad move? In hindsight, absolutely. At the time, I wasn't against it. Beck and Grossman were the non-moves of the decade. If not for them, we have Gabbert. __________________ My Little Pony: Friendship is magic? or ... a repressive matriarchal society where individuals' roles are defined by their immutable physical characteristics and governance is reserved for those who demonstrate the genetic purity of the pony master race?

12-20-2012, 06:09 AM	#163
rbanerjee23 The Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,320	Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan? Well in that case I have a newfound respect for Shanahan's/Allen's prescience -- I also didn't realize it was okay to throw away a season to wait for a new QB. They should have told the people who bought tickets for the games __________________ "Tough times don't last but tough people do" -Mike Shanahan HTTR

12-20-2012, 08:43 AM	#164
artmonkforhallofamein07 HST - "Hey Rube" Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Charleston , SC Posts: 3,940	Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan? So going back to 2011, who would you have brought in to play QB? __________________ Robert Griffin III welcome to the Washington Redskins! Year 1 - NFC EAST Champions at 10-6 Year 2 - Comeback player of the year??? 12-4??? Divisional round playoff game at home??? Superbowl??? 8-8 or worse??? We just have to wait impatiently to find out. http://site.fandangoracinginc.com/

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