Are you buying into the Shanaplan?

rbanerjee23 · 12-20-2012, 08:29 PM

Lol, no dramatics -- I was just pointing out that it is absurd to get angry about people answering in the negative to the thread's original question.

Oh and ^^^ this. I didn't say you were hating, spare me the dramatics

Skinzman · 12-20-2012, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Lol, no dramatics -- I was just pointing out that it is absurd to get angry about people answering in the negative to the thread's original question.

Oh and ^^^ this. I didn't say you were hating, spare me the dramatics

Why is it that disagreeing with you involves being angry? You even pointed it out about asking the question, why ask the question if no opinions are allowed. Dont say you have the right to your opinion and that im angry if mine disagrees with you. You are entitled to your opinion and I am not trying to take that away. I disagree with your assessment that a year is wasted because you didnt realize that neither Rex/Beck were actually good QB's. But he still did the right thing by waiting for the guy to jump for at QB.

Also, I never said that you said I was hating. You might want to re-read all of that.

@ Punch

He quoted me then made a second post. The second post just looks like a continuation of the first post to me.

KLHJ2 · 12-20-2012, 11:50 PM

Ther is only one who is allowed to be Angry. I absolve everyone else from the emotion and title.

Its just football gents.

Edit: Actually I have no authority to do that...fight on gents!

punch it in · 12-21-2012, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Angry

Ther is only one who is allowed to be Angry. I absolve everyone else from the emotion and title.

Its just football gents.

Edit: Actually I have no authority to do that...fight on gents!

No authority from God to absolve us or from Matty and SS to moderate the thread?

rbanerjee23 · 12-21-2012, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Angry

Ther is only one who is allowed to be Angry. I absolve everyone else from the emotion and title.

Its just football gents.

Edit: Actually I have no authority to do that...fight on gents!

I will abide by whatever authority, real or imagined, you possess. HTTR!!

The Goat · 12-21-2012, 01:47 AM

Rob Jackson instincts/football IQ might be better than Orakpo's. That seemed impossible at the beginning of the season. Jackson isn't a physical freak but could eventually be the better overall player. I'd keep them both still and switch them up. Time to push Orakpo anyway.

Skinzman · 12-21-2012, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

Rob Jackson instincts/football IQ might be better than Orakpo's. That seemed impossible at the beginning of the season. Jackson isn't a physical freak but could eventually be the better overall player. I'd keep them both still and switch them up. Time to push Orakpo anyway.

I think they are quite different players. Orakpo is better at rushing the QB and while he has gotten better, still seems a bit lost in open space. Jackson is better in open space than he is being a pash rusher. Jackson seems more like Kerrigan to me. Imo, both are more suited to a 4-3 OLB where they play a more all around game and the pash rushing is on blitzes. I always thought Orakpo would be a better 4-3 DE with his hand on the ground than a 3-4 OLB. Orakpo should have run duty and rushing the QB duty, not trying to cover a TE or RB in pass coverage.

I do agree it is time to push Orakpo. He needs to learn a swim or spin move and then let him loose on attacking the QB. But we cant afford to pay him top pash rusher money if he is a bull rusher who also spends some time being average at best in coverage.

REDSKINS4ever · 12-21-2012, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

Rob Jackson instincts/football IQ might be better than Orakpo's. That seemed impossible at the beginning of the season. Jackson isn't a physical freak but could eventually be the better overall player. I'd keep them both still and switch them up. Time to push Orakpo anyway.

I agree that Jackson is a phenomenal player but Orakpo is still the better pass rusher. Until Jackson makes a couple of trips to the pro bowl, he's not in Orakpo's class just yet.

donofriose · 12-21-2012, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Skinzman

I think they are quite different players. Orakpo is better at rushing the QB and while he has gotten better, still seems a bit lost in open space. Jackson is better in open space than he is being a pash rusher. Jackson seems more like Kerrigan to me. Imo, both are more suited to a 4-3 OLB where they play a more all around game and the pash rushing is on blitzes. I always thought Orakpo would be a better 4-3 DE with his hand on the ground than a 3-4 OLB. Orakpo should have run duty and rushing the QB duty, not trying to cover a TE or RB in pass coverage.

I do agree it is time to push Orakpo. He needs to learn a swim or spin move and then let him loose on attacking the QB. But we cant afford to pay him top pash rusher money if he is a bull rusher who also spends some time being average at best in coverage.

I think both Orakpo and Kerrigan need to learn a couple of more moves. Watch tape of Miller or Ware or someone because both of them do the same bull rush move every time.

donofriose · 12-21-2012, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

Rob Jackson instincts/football IQ might be better than Orakpo's. That seemed impossible at the beginning of the season. Jackson isn't a physical freak but could eventually be the better overall player. I'd keep them both still and switch them up. Time to push Orakpo anyway.

Jackson has had moments, but judging from the lack of pass rush this entire season Orakpo's pass rush is more important and vital to the team.

punch it in · 12-21-2012, 12:43 PM

Were gonna be one sick team in two years. If we can steal a championship or two before that ill take it. Am i getting greedy?

Mattyk · 12-21-2012, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by donofriose

Jackson has had moments, but judging from the lack of pass rush this entire season Orakpo's pass rush is more important and vital to the team.

No doubt.

Defensewins · 12-21-2012, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

I agree that Jackson is a phenomenal player but Orakpo is still the better pass rusher. Until Jackson makes a couple of trips to the pro bowl, he's not in Orakpo's class just yet.

There is so much more to LB position than pass rush. Unfortunately the sack stats is what gets all of the attention, big contracts and accolades. I would much rather have a LB with great instinct, solid against the run and pass coverage than a one trick pony LB that is only good at pass rush.
I think at times Orakpo is a liability.

CrustyRedskin · 12-21-2012, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

Rob Jackson instincts/football IQ might be better than Orakpo's. That seemed impossible at the beginning of the season. Jackson isn't a physical freak but could eventually be the better overall player. I'd keep them both still and switch them up. Time to push Orakpo anyway.

You nailed it Goat!

12thMan · 12-21-2012, 12:55 PM

I'm not as high on Brian Orakpo as some. He's a phenomenal athlete, but his results on the field have left me wanting. Not saying we should trade, bench him, or anything else. I'm just not as high on him as most. And considering where Rob Jackson was drafted, we're definitely getting more bang for our buck from a business perspective.

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12-20-2012, 08:29 PM	#196
rbanerjee23 The Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,320	Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan? Lol, no dramatics -- I was just pointing out that it is absurd to get angry about people answering in the negative to the thread's original question. Oh and ^^^ this. I didn't say you were hating, spare me the dramatics __________________ "Tough times don't last but tough people do" -Mike Shanahan HTTR

12-20-2012, 11:50 PM	#198
KLHJ2 Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: DC Metro Area Age: 34 Posts: 5,823	Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan? Ther is only one who is allowed to be Angry. I absolve everyone else from the emotion and title. Its just football gents. Edit: Actually I have no authority to do that...fight on gents! __________________ Read "The Book", life will gain meaning.

12-21-2012, 01:47 AM	#201
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,021	Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan? Rob Jackson instincts/football IQ might be better than Orakpo's. That seemed impossible at the beginning of the season. Jackson isn't a physical freak but could eventually be the better overall player. I'd keep them both still and switch them up. Time to push Orakpo anyway. __________________ Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes he eats you.

12-21-2012, 12:43 PM	#206
punch it in Playmaker Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: toms river, nj Age: 41 Posts: 3,369	Were gonna be one sick team in two years. If we can steal a championship or two before that ill take it. Am i getting greedy? __________________ "Coaches who can outline plays on a black board are a dime a dozen. The ones who win get inside their player and motivate." Vince Lombardi

12-21-2012, 12:55 PM	#210
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,363	Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan? I'm not as high on Brian Orakpo as some. He's a phenomenal athlete, but his results on the field have left me wanting. Not saying we should trade, bench him, or anything else. I'm just not as high on him as most. And considering where Rob Jackson was drafted, we're definitely getting more bang for our buck from a business perspective.

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