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Old 12-21-2012, 12:36 AM   #196
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:45 AM   #197
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:47 AM   #198
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Rob Jackson instincts/football IQ might be better than Orakpo's. That seemed impossible at the beginning of the season. Jackson isn't a physical freak but could eventually be the better overall player. I'd keep them both still and switch them up. Time to push Orakpo anyway.
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Old 12-21-2012, 09:23 AM   #199
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Rob Jackson instincts/football IQ might be better than Orakpo's. That seemed impossible at the beginning of the season. Jackson isn't a physical freak but could eventually be the better overall player. I'd keep them both still and switch them up. Time to push Orakpo anyway.
I think they are quite different players. Orakpo is better at rushing the QB and while he has gotten better, still seems a bit lost in open space. Jackson is better in open space than he is being a pash rusher. Jackson seems more like Kerrigan to me. Imo, both are more suited to a 4-3 OLB where they play a more all around game and the pash rushing is on blitzes. I always thought Orakpo would be a better 4-3 DE with his hand on the ground than a 3-4 OLB. Orakpo should have run duty and rushing the QB duty, not trying to cover a TE or RB in pass coverage.

I do agree it is time to push Orakpo. He needs to learn a swim or spin move and then let him loose on attacking the QB. But we cant afford to pay him top pash rusher money if he is a bull rusher who also spends some time being average at best in coverage.
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:38 PM   #200
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Rob Jackson instincts/football IQ might be better than Orakpo's. That seemed impossible at the beginning of the season. Jackson isn't a physical freak but could eventually be the better overall player. I'd keep them both still and switch them up. Time to push Orakpo anyway.
I agree that Jackson is a phenomenal player but Orakpo is still the better pass rusher. Until Jackson makes a couple of trips to the pro bowl, he's not in Orakpo's class just yet.
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:39 PM   #201
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I think they are quite different players. Orakpo is better at rushing the QB and while he has gotten better, still seems a bit lost in open space. Jackson is better in open space than he is being a pash rusher. Jackson seems more like Kerrigan to me. Imo, both are more suited to a 4-3 OLB where they play a more all around game and the pash rushing is on blitzes. I always thought Orakpo would be a better 4-3 DE with his hand on the ground than a 3-4 OLB. Orakpo should have run duty and rushing the QB duty, not trying to cover a TE or RB in pass coverage.

I do agree it is time to push Orakpo. He needs to learn a swim or spin move and then let him loose on attacking the QB. But we cant afford to pay him top pash rusher money if he is a bull rusher who also spends some time being average at best in coverage.
I think both Orakpo and Kerrigan need to learn a couple of more moves. Watch tape of Miller or Ware or someone because both of them do the same bull rush move every time.
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:41 PM   #202
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Rob Jackson instincts/football IQ might be better than Orakpo's. That seemed impossible at the beginning of the season. Jackson isn't a physical freak but could eventually be the better overall player. I'd keep them both still and switch them up. Time to push Orakpo anyway.
Jackson has had moments, but judging from the lack of pass rush this entire season Orakpo's pass rush is more important and vital to the team.
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Jackson has had moments, but judging from the lack of pass rush this entire season Orakpo's pass rush is more important and vital to the team.
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I agree that Jackson is a phenomenal player but Orakpo is still the better pass rusher. Until Jackson makes a couple of trips to the pro bowl, he's not in Orakpo's class just yet.
There is so much more to LB position than pass rush. Unfortunately the sack stats is what gets all of the attention, big contracts and accolades. I would much rather have a LB with great instinct, solid against the run and pass coverage than a one trick pony LB that is only good at pass rush.
I think at times Orakpo is a liability.
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Rob Jackson instincts/football IQ might be better than Orakpo's. That seemed impossible at the beginning of the season. Jackson isn't a physical freak but could eventually be the better overall player. I'd keep them both still and switch them up. Time to push Orakpo anyway.
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:55 PM   #207
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I'm not as high on Brian Orakpo as some. He's a phenomenal athlete, but his results on the field have left me wanting. Not saying we should trade, bench him, or anything else. I'm just not as high on him as most. And considering where Rob Jackson was drafted, we're definitely getting more bang for our buck from a business perspective.
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:55 PM   #208
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Jackson has had moments, but judging from the lack of pass rush this entire season Orakpo's pass rush is more important and vital to the team.
I disagree and our win-loss record does not reflect that.
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I disagree and our win-loss record does not reflect that.
Our pass rush does though. We have excelled on offense and buckled down on defense , but the pass rush has been inept.
Edit: i do wish that both Rak and Kerrigan had another move. Both are very one dimensional in their pass rush technique
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:58 PM   #210
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Jackson has had moments, but judging from the lack of pass rush this entire season Orakpo's pass rush is more important and vital to the team.
true, but you gotta keep both. Jackson is a free agent and has proven to be a great backup/depth player who is excellent in pass rush packages. Gotta keep Jackson at this point, his play making ability has been game changing. Cant let that leave.
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