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Old 12-21-2012, 01:03 PM   #211
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Our pass rush does though. We have excelled on offense and buckled down on defense , but the pass rush has been inept.
Edit: i do wish that both Rak and Kerrigan had another move. Both are very one dimensional in their pass rush technique
An interception is better than a sack. Rob Jackson has three, one going for a TD. His sack and strip of Flacco was a critical play.
You can also consider that the defense has "buckled down" partly due to Jackson heady play. He is a smart player.
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:10 PM   #212
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An interception is better than a sack. Rob Jackson has three, one going for a TD. His sack and strip of Flacco was a critical play.
You can also consider that the defense has "buckled down" partly due to Jackson heady play. He is a smart player.
Jackson has excelled exactly where Orakpo has immensley struggled, out on pass plays. Jackson has value on the defense, like to see them both on the field for the future.
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:16 PM   #213
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An interception is better than a sack. Rob Jackson has three, one going for a TD. His sack and strip of Flacco was a critical play.
You can also consider that the defense has "buckled down" partly due to Jackson heady play. He is a smart player.
Im not denying that Jackson has been impressive, but opposing qb's just have way to much time.
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:26 PM   #214
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Rob Jackson instincts/football IQ might be better than Orakpo's. That seemed impossible at the beginning of the season. Jackson isn't a physical freak but could eventually be the better overall player. I'd keep them both still and switch them up. Time to push Orakpo anyway.
But I thought proof of the Shanny's failures was that they weren't developing any late round defensive talent?

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Old 12-21-2012, 01:38 PM   #215
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As to the substance, Jackson is the type of player who is the meat and potatoes of most good teams. Someone who flashes well and when called to step in do so admirably. RJ is not and likely never will be a multi-pro bowl type guy. He is someone that can play well in this league.

Let's not forget, however, this is his 5th year. It's not like he just came on out of nowhere, he is a someone who has grown up in the system after having a couple years to get his feet wet. He's got 5 more solid, unspectacular years left in him. I hope we retain him for those. Reminds me a lot of Mel Kaufman/Monte Coleman from the 80's.
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:41 PM   #216
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But I thought proof of the Shanny's failures was that they weren't developing any late round defensive talent?

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Goat is trying to come into the light and you keep pushing him back into the darkness.
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:48 PM   #217
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Goat is trying to come into the light and you keep pushing him back into the darkness.
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:49 PM   #218
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But I thought proof of the Shanny's failures was that they weren't developing any late round defensive talent?

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Jackson was here before Shanny.
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:53 PM   #219
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Unrepentant, inconsistent, irrational argument needs to be highlighted, whether it is mine, Goat's or SmootSmack's argument. I will welcome Goat into the light when he stops resorting to tautological fallicies and then pretending he has never done so.

I feel safe that the lights in Goat World will remain off.
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:54 PM   #220
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Jackson was here before Shanny.
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:55 PM   #221
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true, but you gotta keep both. Jackson is a free agent and has proven to be a great backup/depth player who is excellent in pass rush packages. Gotta keep Jackson at this point, his play making ability has been game changing. Cant let that leave.
I agree keep both. I still think Orakpo is a better overall player so if I had to choose between the two I would choose Orakpo. Jackson is better at making plays in coverage, Orakpo from what I have seen is better at everything else.
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Jackson was here before Shanny.
I know, kinda my point. When Shanny came in, Jackson was not a starter, but a developmental player in whom, apparently, Shanny saw something.

Look, it's paying off 3 years later.
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There needs to be a 3rd option in the poll beside yes or no,like not quite yet.
If the Shanaplan was to suck so bad that would end up with RG3 then it was a great plan.Yes were on a nice winning streak but im not getting carried away.Im not quite ready to forget the Mcnabb fiasco and the way the whole thing was handled.The whole Haynesworth thing,switching to the 3-4 made no sense and pissed off your 100 million dollar player,those are 2 major f ckups im not ready to forget just because weve won a few games in a row.
The other little things that plagued Mike since he's been here like clock management and on field descisions like when to throw flag for instant replay,have improved slightly during win streak but not by much.
Theres been a few things ive had problems with but we won the games so they were rendered mute.
Then theres the leading the league in penalties,is that on the coach?
Im happy with the progress weve made and I think Mike and Kyle have improved over the winning streak but Im not ready to click on yes or no just yet
I forgot to mention I do thing The Shan has done some positive things.I think overall theyve drafted pretty well.I liked the signing of Hightower,Garcon,Wilson,and i might be forgetting someone.So I do think theyve done some good things.Like I said,wish there was a 3rd option to poll
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Old 12-21-2012, 02:02 PM   #224
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An interception is better than a sack. Rob Jackson has three, one going for a TD. His sack and strip of Flacco was a critical play.
You can also consider that the defense has "buckled down" partly due to Jackson heady play. He is a smart player.
He is a good role player, I do not think he can be a long term starter though. A single interception is better than a sack. But a consistent pass rusher through an entire is better than a linebacker who has three interceptions and makes flashy plays. I still think we should keep them both but to think that Jackson will replace Orakpo's impact vs. the run and vs. the pass is far fetched at best. There is a reason the pass defense is so inept, and a huge reason is lack of any pass rush. Redskins have improved slightly but we just improved to terrible to bad. It is not like the Redskins all of a sudden are a top tier defense with Jackson's presence. Redskins are still a well below average defense and Orakpo and Carriker's presence on the d-line has proven to be essential to the success of the defense.
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There is so much more to LB position than pass rush. Unfortunately the sack stats is what gets all of the attention, big contracts and accolades. I would much rather have a LB with great instinct, solid against the run and pass coverage than a one trick pony LB that is only good at pass rush.
I think at times Orakpo is a liability.
In the 3-4 your outside LBs are your main pass rushers, so they better be good or your D will suffer, as we've seen.

I think Rak is more solid overall than some give him credit for. He's come a long way.
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