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Old 12-21-2012, 03:03 PM   #226
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Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan?

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There is so much more to LB position than pass rush. Unfortunately the sack stats is what gets all of the attention, big contracts and accolades. I would much rather have a LB with great instinct, solid against the run and pass coverage than a one trick pony LB that is only good at pass rush.
I think at times Orakpo is a liability.
Perhaps there is a bit of truth in what you say. I think Jackson can probably cover better than Orakpo. He can also get to the QB just as ferociously. People tend to forget that both of these men are natural DEs so they both are impressive linebackers. While Orakpo is the slightly better pass rusher of the two, he still needs to work on his coverage skills come next season.
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Old 12-21-2012, 03:08 PM   #227
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Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan?

Rob Jackson has really developed as a pass rusher and in coverage. Love me some 50.

But to say he is the same or better than Rak is pure foolishness. He lacks Rak's power and burst, for one.
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Old 12-21-2012, 03:16 PM   #228
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Regarding the pass rush -- I can't speak to how often it is called but it seems as though 80% of holds against LBs don't get called. Maybe I am misunderstanding the rule but in the replays it seems as though an OT has to have a linebacker in the choker before a hold is called.
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Old 12-21-2012, 03:30 PM   #229
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Rob Jackson had one interception against cleveland and their rookie QB and now people are here saying he could replace Orakpo or Kerrigan. Lets see some consistency before we give anyone a starter title
to be fair, he had an interception against Cincinnati too.

I agree though, and Rak actually looked pretty good in coverage prior to his injury this season.

I do believe however, that Jackson has all the tools to be a starter.
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Old 12-21-2012, 03:36 PM   #230
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Regarding the pass rush -- I can't speak to how often it is called but it seems as though 80% of holds against LBs don't get called. Maybe I am misunderstanding the rule but in the replays it seems as though an OT has to have a linebacker in the choker before a hold is called.
They just don't call holding like they used to.

It's an offense driven league.
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Old 12-21-2012, 04:27 PM   #231
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They just don't call holding like they used to.

It's an offense driven league.
Seems like the pass rushers have just gotten too good. They never call the sideways arm bar neck block that is really obviously a hold...but if they did call it then eventually the QB would start getting sacked like 15 times a game. Orakpo gets held like that like every play...same with Kerrigan.
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Seems like the pass rushers have just gotten too good. They never call the sideways arm bar neck block that is really obviously a hold...but if they did call it then eventually the QB would start getting sacked like 15 times a game. Orakpo gets held like that like every play...same with Kerrigan.
It was just pathetic on the MNF against the Giants when Chucky pretty much showed a replay of Kerrigan being put on a choke hold by the Giants' lineman.
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Old 12-21-2012, 04:41 PM   #233
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Rob Jackson had one interception against cleveland and their rookie QB and now people are here saying he could replace Orakpo or Kerrigan. Lets see some consistency before we give anyone a starter title

Is four sacks in the last five games consistent enough? All wins. He has three interceptions and 2 forced fumbles with two games to play. So he has caused five turnovers for our defense.
I am not saying get rid of Orakpo, keep them both, but Jackson should play his fair share and not waste away on the bench.
I highly disagree with some that say Orakpo is better against the run. No sir. Orakpo sometimes on run plays guesses wrong and goes for the sack. Completely over running the play and failing to keep gap responsibility. Jackson is better at setting the edge against the run. Jackson is better in space and making football decisions on the fly. That skill can not be measured by stats.
Orakpo has not blossomed into the dominate LB he is supposed to be at this point in his career. Yes he has sacks, but he has weakness' in his game at point in his career where he should be past them. Kerrigan was already surpassed Orakpo at OLB.
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Old 12-21-2012, 07:40 PM   #234
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They just don't call holding like they used to.

It's an offense driven league.
That is just awful -- I understand that the offense is what drives the excitement but I really hate how the league has neutered great defensive play in some respects. That's why my favorite play is when a quarterback (not RG3 of course) gets blown up on a sack.
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Old 12-21-2012, 10:36 PM   #235
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Perhaps I am in the minority but the defense is just not the same without Orakpo. I just have not seen that much of a pass rush in the absense of Rak and Adam. The defense has tightened lately, but there still seems to be a lack of pressure.
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Old 12-22-2012, 12:29 PM   #236
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Perhaps I am in the minority but the defense is just not the same without Orakpo. I just have not seen that much of a pass rush in the absense of Rak and Adam. The defense has tightened lately, but there still seems to be a lack of pressure.
I would say you are in the majority.
Edit: you are rite on. The d is playing very well just no qb pressure which is anazing because of our bad secondary. I never thought it could be possible but haz is pushing all the rite buttons.
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Old 12-22-2012, 03:03 PM   #237
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Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan?

Weirdly, I think if Haslett gets another year with Orakpo and Carriker back (PLUS some added draft picks or FA), we'll have a pretty damn good defense. I'll never say that losing Orakpo/Carriker was as good thing, but it really forced Haslett to innovate to make up for the lack of pressure from those two. As a result, when they come back, that should make us that much more dangerous.
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Old 12-22-2012, 03:32 PM   #238
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Weirdly, I think if Haslett gets another year with Orakpo and Carriker back (PLUS some added draft picks or FA), we'll have a pretty damn good defense. I'll never say that losing Orakpo/Carriker was as good thing, but it really forced Haslett to innovate to make up for the lack of pressure from those two. As a result, when they come back, that should make us that much more dangerous.
Agreed. Our front 7 is pretty good. Fix the secondary and we have somethin' going on defensively.
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Old 12-22-2012, 05:02 PM   #240
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You know ER is like......35 right?
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