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Old 12-18-2012, 10:04 AM   #91
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Have we turned the corner? Not sure - I think we will. Again, I want to see how ShanAllen handles the coming need for talent replacement/retention. If we succeed, if the talent level is improving, players will be lost. How they are replaced is key.

Look at Houston, their D lost DeMarco Ryans & Mario Williams this past year and is still playing at a high level. Sure, their was a scheme switch. Regardless, most teams losing two pro-bowlers from the first & second level of their defense would be in serious trouble. In Houston, however, they maintained there performance. I don't recall Houston signing guys to huge UFA contracts to replace them. Instead, they retained and replaced from inside - w/ guys on the roster that nobody may have known before plus good drafting (J.J. Watt makes up for a lot of other talent defeciencies).
Couple of things: We, too, have had our share of losses on defense: Rak and Carriker. One could also argue our defense is much better with Meriweather in the line-up. So the talent rule applies to the Redskins as well. It's quite possible that Mario Williams was a bit overrated to begin with. What has he done in Buffalo this season? Haven't heard much from him.

In short, Robert was the missing piece. The QB raises the level of play of those around him and we've witnessed that this season. We won a total of 11? games the previous two seasons. I feel we're on the right track; Turned the corner.

Generally I think we agree more than not on this point.
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Couple of things: We, too, have had our share of losses on defense: Rak and Carriker. One could also argue our defense is much better with Meriweather in the line-up. So the talent rule applies to the Redskins as well. It's quite possible that Mario Williams was a bit overrated to begin with. What has he done in Buffalo this season? Haven't heard much from him.

In short, Robert was the missing piece. The QB raises the level of play of those around him and we've witnessed that this season. We won a total of 11? games the previous two seasons. I feel we're on the right track; Turned the corner.
My point about Houston was just an example of how good teams replace lost talent. Think of Gibbs I, the current Patriots or the 2000-2009 Eagles. Good teams can lose talent b/c it can be adquately replaced (or appropriately retained).

I fully agree that Robert was the missing piece although I would suggest it is more accurate to say "a quality QB was the missing piece" - the fact that we were able to insert an amazing talent like RGIII into that piece is just absolute gravy.

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Generally I think we agree more than not on this point.
I agree that we generally agree.
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:24 AM   #93
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My point about Houston was just an example of how good teams replace lost talent. Think of Gibbs I, the current Patriots or the 2000-2009 Eagles. Good teams can lose talent b/c it can be adquately replaced (or appropriately retained).

I fully agree that Robert was the missing piece although I would suggest it is more accurate to say "a quality QB was the missing piece" - the fact that we were able to insert an amazing talent like RGIII into that piece is just absolute gravy.
I definitely think that's why the Redskins were so good in the 80's, they had good backups who could come in and make plays, good quarterbacks who could win ya some games, and certainly a good eye for talent. But, I think drafting a guy like Kirk Cousins just showed everybody that if you do plan on being a winner, you're going to need a good backup QB.
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:30 AM   #94
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I'd be careful drawing comparisons from the 80s, but the broader point is still legit.
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:02 AM   #95
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I'd be careful drawing comparisons from the 80s, but the broader point is still legit.
Not sure why I'd have to be careful about drawing comparisons between decades, the simple fact remains true whether if it's the 50's or present day - depth is what helps to make a team good and to keep the team consistently good. That's often what separates good teams from bad teams.
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:19 AM   #96
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Yeah but depth is easier to create pre Plan B free-agency and salary caps
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:20 AM   #97
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I definitely think that's why the Redskins were so good in the 80's, they had good backups who could come in and make plays, good quarterbacks who could win ya some games, and certainly a good eye for talent. But, I think drafting a guy like Kirk Cousins just showed everybody that if you do plan on being a winner, you're going to need a good backup QB.

In the 80s, Beathard and Casserly did the best job in the NFL at finding quality players to play on both sides of the ball. The Redskins had players like Alvoid Mays, A.J. Johnson, Jumpy Gathers, and were rock solid at every position.

This season through building the team, this was the first time that quality depth was added to the roster since Shanahan had been the HC. You could even see it in preseason games before the regular season.

The Redskins were fortunate Kirk Cousins was still there in the 4th round because he was projected to go in the 2nd round. Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan were wise to want to go into a more youthful direction instead of depending on turnover bound Rex Grossman to be RG3's back up.
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:34 AM   #98
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Yeah but depth is easier to create pre Plan B free-agency and salary caps
Yes. Pre-1993 you could use your bench as a minor league development arrangement. Once free agency came along, that disappeared, because after four years a player just signs with another team rather than being promoted from the bench.
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Yeah but depth is easier to create pre Plan B free-agency and salary caps
Not denying that. I'm simply saying that depth, itself, is the key.
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:01 PM   #100
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Alvoid Mays. LOL
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Alvoid Mays. LOL
I was watching the 1991 NFC Championship game on DVD last night and Mays was all over the field after Darrell Green injured his ribs. Alvoid Mays was a pretty quality depth player....
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:06 PM   #102
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I was watching the 1991 NFC Championship game on DVD last night and Mays was all over the field after Darrell Green injured his ribs. Alvoid Mays was a pretty quality depth player....
He was fine, but-if we're being honest-he wasn't tremendously better than say Reed Doughty or even a guy like Jordan Pugh.

I love the 80s Redskins, but there's always a lot of revisionist history about them

But anyhow, that's in the past
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:10 PM   #103
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He was fine, but-if we're being honest-he wasn't tremendously better than say Reed Doughty or even a guy like Jordan Pugh.

I love the 80s Redskins, but there's always a lot of revisionist history about them

But anyhow, that's in the past

Pretty much my point.
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:38 PM   #104
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Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan?

the only problem i had with the shanaplan was the inconsistent performance of our coordinators at times early in the season... i must say they have found rythym and the head scratchers get less and less every week.. they've turned play calling around in a huge way regardless of who we have a QB it seems... sure winning has alot to do with it but for me personally they have come on strong especially with halftime adjustments... can't say enough about the work they are putting in over this win streak and how it has translated on the field. big ups to both of them.
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^ The Redskins players and especially the coaching staff have been on fire since returning from the bye week.....
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