Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!

JoeRedskin · 01-07-2013, 08:40 AM

Any thoughts of trading KC now should pretty much be tossed aside unless a Hershel Walker type deal is offered. Given Griffin's injury and style of play, KC is just about the second most valuable guy on the roster and certainly in the top 10.

Draft KC's replacement this year and again next year if we must then trade him.

Chico23231 · 01-07-2013, 09:19 AM

Concussion, possible torn whatever, couldnt finish a couple games, knee brace. We better not trade Cousins, but develop him intensely.

BigHairedAristocrat · 01-07-2013, 09:21 AM

At this point, my feeling is we should keep Cousins through the end of his contract unless/until Griffin proves he can play through an entire season without injury. The way Griffin plays, and the way he stubbornly refuses to let doctors/coaches know how he's really feeling, is very risky. Griffin needs to understand that the best thing he can do for the team is protect himself long-term. If he's hurt, he needs to have the humility to recognize the team can win without him and leave the game to protect his health.

I honestly think unless he accepts the fact he's not superman, eventually hes going play hurt and then have a career ending injury, and it could happen during his rookie contract. We might need Cousins to be our long-term quarterback if Griffin doesnt learn his limits. No way should we trade him.

Mattyk · 01-07-2013, 09:23 AM

Cousins is the future after all.

He cannot be traded.

Chico23231 · 01-07-2013, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Cousins is the future after all.

He cannot be traded.

The future back up of course. Having a strong back up QB has been a need for us since Todd Cocktail Collins and is an essential these days. Look at the Vikings Saturday night. I guarentee in the offseason they will be looking for an experienced back up.

donofriose · 01-07-2013, 09:36 AM

How about we develop Griffin into a pocket passer. Get rid of the option. Make him into a clone of Aaron Rogers. Just like he was at Baylor and he showed great potential in his ability to make throws from the pocket or on bootlegs.

donofriose · 01-07-2013, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

At this point, my feeling is we should keep Cousins through the end of his contract unless/until Griffin proves he can play through an entire season without injury. The way Griffin plays, and the way he stubbornly refuses to let doctors/coaches know how he's really feeling, is very risky. Griffin needs to understand that the best thing he can do for the team is protect himself long-term. If he's hurt, he needs to have the humility to recognize the team can win without him and leave the game to protect his health.

I honestly think unless he accepts the fact he's not superman, eventually hes going play hurt and then have a career ending injury, and it could happen during his rookie contract. We might need Cousins to be our long-term quarterback if Griffin doesnt learn his limits. No way should we trade him.

So you expect an NFL quarterback to admit to being injured and risk losing his job? Look what happened to Drew Bledsoe, Manning, and Alex Smith. It should never be on the player to admit whether or not he is injured. Favre once said he never admitted to being injured because he did not want to give another quarterback the same opportunity he was given and potentially lose his job. It is never on the player, coaches and medical staff should be the one saying we have to take you out.

GTripp0012 · 01-07-2013, 10:06 AM

Remember in the discussion of trading cousins for draft picks, that the redskins can replace cousins through the draft with a 5th or 6th round pick in most years (though perhaps not this draft).

If rg3 is questionable to begin next season, then trading cousins is realistically off the table, but still if a team blows you away...

BigHairedAristocrat · 01-07-2013, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by donofriose

So you expect an NFL quarterback to admit to being injured and risk losing his job? Look what happened to Drew Bledsoe, Manning, and Alex Smith.

LOL. Every single player you compared RGIII to was an older player who had been playing for teams that had drafted younger guys to eventually replace them. If there is one player in the NFL who should not have to worry at all about his job security, its RGIII. He made the pro-bowl in his rookie year for a team that mortgaged their future to trade up and draft him. The skins are 100% committed to RGIII as the future. He knows this.

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It should never be on the player to admit whether or not he is injured. Favre once said he never admitted to being injured because he did not want to give another quarterback the same opportunity he was given and potentially lose his job. It is never on the player, coaches and medical staff should be the one saying we have to take you out.

This is probably just about the dumbest thing you could possibly say. Unless a player is bleeding from an open wound or suffering from obvious symptoms that are easy to diagnose (like a severe concussion), the only way coaches medical staff can understand a players condition is if the player tells them. there's no portable MRI machine on the field. All the medical staff can tell is that RGIII is limping a bit. If he's not honest about how he feels and how bad the pain is, they can't make an accurate assessment of him.

NC_Skins · 01-07-2013, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Remember in the discussion of trading cousins for draft picks, that the redskins can replace cousins through the draft with a 5th or 6th round pick in most years (though perhaps not this draft).

If rg3 is questionable to begin next season, then trading cousins is realistically off the table, but still if a team blows you away...

Trading Cousins is off the table as long as our QB continues to display poor decisions when he decides to run. (out of bounds/sliding) He isn't going to last.

BigHairedAristocrat · 01-07-2013, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Remember in the discussion of trading cousins for draft picks, that the redskins can replace cousins through the draft with a 5th or 6th round pick in most years (though perhaps not this draft).

If rg3 is questionable to begin next season, then trading cousins is realistically off the table, but still if a team blows you away...

At this point, I dont think there is an offer that a team would actually make that would be worth accepting. RGIII only started (and finished) 13 of 17 games this year. Without Cousins, we probably don't win the baltimore and cleaveland games and arent in the playoffs. Good quarterbacks are very hard to find. We cant count on finding one late in the draft - that would likely leave us with someone like Joe Webb or John Beck or Rex Grossman at quarterback.... its not a situation we want to be in.

Right now, Cousins is more valueable to this team than anything another team would offer us in a trade. If RGIII makes it through the next two seasons without missing any time, then i consider moving Cousins, but not before then.

donofriose · 01-07-2013, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

LOL. Every single player you compared RGIII to was an older player who had been playing for teams that had drafted younger guys to eventually replace them. If there is one player in the NFL who should not have to worry at all about his job security, its RGIII. He made the pro-bowl in his rookie year for a team that mortgaged their future to trade up and draft him. The skins are 100% committed to RGIII as the future. He knows this.

This is probably just about the dumbest thing you could possibly say. Unless a player is bleeding from an open wound or suffering from obvious symptoms that are easy to diagnose (like a severe concussion), the only way coaches medical staff can understand a players condition is if the player tells them. there's no portable MRI machine on the field. All the medical staff can tell is that RGIII is limping a bit. If he's not honest about how he feels and how bad the pain is, they can't make an accurate assessment of him.

Drew Bledsoe before the offseason he got injured signed a then record 103 million dollar contract. And was in the NFL for I believe 8 years? So you are telling me he did not think his job was guaranteed right before that season started. Remember the controversy it created when he got healthy again? Imagine if Griffin got hurt and Cousins passes for 200 yards in the second half and wins the game and then wins in ATL next week. You think his job would be guaranteed or do you think if he has one bad game people wouldn't start calling for Cousins? Alex Smith was told repeatedly he was the starter but then he got hurt and Jim went with the impact player.

That is the reasons you pay trainers. To be able to determine whether or not the player can play. It is their job to determine whether or not they can play. Not the Players. What is the point of having a trainer if the player is the one who is just going to say I will play. Trainer is payed to look for signs to determine whether or not they can play and to give a quick diagnosis. If they don't do that what is the point of having trainers.

Gary84Clark · 01-07-2013, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by donofriose

Drew Bledsoe before the offseason he got injured signed a then record 103 million dollar contract. And was in the NFL for I believe 8 years? So you are telling me he did not think his job was guaranteed right before that season started. Remember the controversy it created when he got healthy again? Imagine if Griffin got hurt and Cousins passes for 200 yards in the second half and wins the game and then wins in ATL next week. You think his job would be guaranteed or do you think if he has one bad game people wouldn't start calling for Cousins? Alex Smith was told repeatedly he was the starter but then he got hurt and Jim went with the impact player.

That is the reasons you pay trainers. To be able to determine whether or not the player can play. It is their job to determine whether or not they can play. Not the Players. What is the point of having a trainer if the player is the one who is just going to say I will play. Trainer is payed to look for signs to determine whether or not they can play and to give a quick diagnosis. If they don't do that what is the point of having trainers.

Cousins is a good back up. Bledsoe was the starter but he had never perfromed on the level Brady performed on when he got hurt. Brady gave NE sometinhg they never saw before. Cousin may do good but I doubt he will do it and look better than RG3 ever has. Plus Bledsoe was garbage in todays post Tom Brady standards.

donofriose · 01-07-2013, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

Cousins is a good back up. Bledsoe was the starter but he had never perfromed on the level Brady performed on when he got hurt. Brady gave NE sometinhg they never saw before. Cousin may do good but I doubt he will do it and look better than RG3 ever has. Plus Bledsoe was garbage in todays post Tom Brady standards.

I agree with that, but I am just saying I am sure Bledsoe thought his job was guaranteed coming into that season.

Gary84Clark · 01-07-2013, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by donofriose

I agree with that, but I am just saying I am sure Bledsoe thought his job was guaranteed coming into that season.

haha you right, he did.

01-07-2013, 08:40 AM	#181
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 50 Posts: 7,144	Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!! Any thoughts of trading KC now should pretty much be tossed aside unless a Hershel Walker type deal is offered. Given Griffin's injury and style of play, KC is just about the second most valuable guy on the roster and certainly in the top 10. Draft KC's replacement this year and again next year if we must then trade him. __________________ My Little Pony: Friendship is magic? or ... a repressive matriarchal society where individuals' roles are defined by their immutable physical characteristics and governance is reserved for those who demonstrate the genetic purity of the pony master race?

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Chico23231 Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 36 Posts: 7,784	Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!! Concussion, possible torn whatever, couldnt finish a couple games, knee brace. We better not trade Cousins, but develop him intensely. __________________ Ready for the Draft.

01-07-2013, 09:21 AM	#183
BigHairedAristocrat Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 3,812	Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!! At this point, my feeling is we should keep Cousins through the end of his contract unless/until Griffin proves he can play through an entire season without injury. The way Griffin plays, and the way he stubbornly refuses to let doctors/coaches know how he's really feeling, is very risky. Griffin needs to understand that the best thing he can do for the team is protect himself long-term. If he's hurt, he needs to have the humility to recognize the team can win without him and leave the game to protect his health. I honestly think unless he accepts the fact he's not superman, eventually hes going play hurt and then have a career ending injury, and it could happen during his rookie contract. We might need Cousins to be our long-term quarterback if Griffin doesnt learn his limits. No way should we trade him. __________________ Dolphins get good press for saving drowning humans.But we only hear about the swimmers theyve pushed ashore.You know who we havent heard from: all the people theyve pushed out to sea.Dolphins dont know what theyre doing-they just like pushing things.

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01-07-2013, 09:36 AM	#186
donofriose Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 708	Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!! How about we develop Griffin into a pocket passer. Get rid of the option. Make him into a clone of Aaron Rogers. Just like he was at Baylor and he showed great potential in his ability to make throws from the pocket or on bootlegs.

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GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 25 Posts: 15,143	Remember in the discussion of trading cousins for draft picks, that the redskins can replace cousins through the draft with a 5th or 6th round pick in most years (though perhaps not this draft). If rg3 is questionable to begin next season, then trading cousins is realistically off the table, but still if a team blows you away... __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

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