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Old 01-07-2013, 11:49 AM   #196
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Drew Bledsoe before the offseason he got injured signed a then record 103 million dollar contract. And was in the NFL for I believe 8 years? So you are telling me he did not think his job was guaranteed right before that season started. Remember the controversy it created when he got healthy again? Imagine if Griffin got hurt and Cousins passes for 200 yards in the second half and wins the game and then wins in ATL next week. You think his job would be guaranteed or do you think if he has one bad game people wouldn't start calling for Cousins? Alex Smith was told repeatedly he was the starter but then he got hurt and Jim went with the impact player.

That is the reasons you pay trainers. To be able to determine whether or not the player can play. It is their job to determine whether or not they can play. Not the Players. What is the point of having a trainer if the player is the one who is just going to say I will play. Trainer is payed to look for signs to determine whether or not they can play and to give a quick diagnosis. If they don't do that what is the point of having trainers.
Cousins is a good back up. Bledsoe was the starter but he had never perfromed on the level Brady performed on when he got hurt. Brady gave NE sometinhg they never saw before. Cousin may do good but I doubt he will do it and look better than RG3 ever has. Plus Bledsoe was garbage in todays post Tom Brady standards.
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:52 AM   #197
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Cousins is a good back up. Bledsoe was the starter but he had never perfromed on the level Brady performed on when he got hurt. Brady gave NE sometinhg they never saw before. Cousin may do good but I doubt he will do it and look better than RG3 ever has. Plus Bledsoe was garbage in todays post Tom Brady standards.
I agree with that, but I am just saying I am sure Bledsoe thought his job was guaranteed coming into that season.
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I agree with that, but I am just saying I am sure Bledsoe thought his job was guaranteed coming into that season.
haha you right, he did.
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Remember in the discussion of trading cousins for draft picks, that the redskins can replace cousins through the draft with a 5th or 6th round pick in most years (though perhaps not this draft).

If rg3 is questionable to begin next season, then trading cousins is realistically off the table, but still if a team blows you away...
Trade Kirk for two 2nd-rounders, use one on a QB...profit!


Honestly, I'd prefer to keep Cousins. He's proven that he can be effective and we NEED a capable backup just in case anything happens to RGIII, which is likely.

Hopefully Griffin won't have Vick's games played record, averaging about 12 games a year, but if he does get beat up that much, Kirk can help carry us.

I'm hopeful that because Griffin's passing abilities are worlds better than Vick's ever were, he won't have to rely on his legs as much as Vick and will last longer.
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Drew Bledsoe before the offseason he got injured signed a then record 103 million dollar contract. And was in the NFL for I believe 8 years? So you are telling me he did not think his job was guaranteed right before that season started. Remember the controversy it created when he got healthy again? Imagine if Griffin got hurt and Cousins passes for 200 yards in the second half and wins the game and then wins in ATL next week. You think his job would be guaranteed or do you think if he has one bad game people wouldn't start calling for Cousins? Alex Smith was told repeatedly he was the starter but then he got hurt and Jim went with the impact player.

That is the reasons you pay trainers. To be able to determine whether or not the player can play. It is their job to determine whether or not they can play. Not the Players. What is the point of having a trainer if the player is the one who is just going to say I will play. Trainer is payed to look for signs to determine whether or not they can play and to give a quick diagnosis. If they don't do that what is the point of having trainers.
What i'm saying is comparing RGIII, a rookie a team traded up in the draft to get, to an injured veteran NFL player fending of a talented young guy is completed stupid. Its apples and oranges. More like apples and tennis shoes.

Alex Smith has never had job security because he's never played particularly well. He was told repeatedly he was the starter - all the while the team has been trying to acquire someone to replace him. Or did you forget about SF's pursuit of Peyton Manning?

You are right about one and only one thing - its the team's job to determine if a player is allowed to play or not - but the team's staff cant do that job if the player lies to them and is not forthcoming about how he feels. It doesnt matter how many trainers you have - they are incapeable of doing their job if the player does not cooperate.
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Trade Kirk for two 2nd-rounders, use one on a QB...profit!

Honestly, I'd prefer to keep Cousins. He's proven that he can be effective and we NEED a capable backup just in case anything happens to RGIII, which is likely.

Hopefully Griffin won't have Vick's games played record, averaging about 12 games a year, but if he does get beat up that much, Kirk can help carry us.

I'm hopeful that because Griffin's passing abilities are worlds better than Vick's ever were, he won't have to rely on his legs as much as Vick and will last longer.
Thats the only way you could justify trading cousins. Of course, if there was a 2nd round player who was equivalent to Cousins in value, the other team would just draft that player and not trade with us in the first place. I cant envision any situation where we'd get an offer worth taking for Cousins.

At this point, Griffin has suffered two major injuries to the same knee in the past 4 years. Whenever the third happens - and it will, eventually - it could end his career.

In the seasons he was healthy in college, he didnt miss any games, but 1) those were shorter seasons and 2) he wasnt taking the hits he's taking from NFL defenses.

I think 12 game seasons are what we can expect from Griffin, which makes having a good backup like Cousins critical to our success. Griffin is the teams most valuable player, but i dont think he's so much better than cousins that we want him playing if he's less than 100%. Its just not worth the long-term risk.
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What i'm saying is comparing RGIII, a rookie a team traded up in the draft to get, to an injured veteran NFL player fending of a talented young guy is completed stupid. Its apples and oranges. More like apples and tennis shoes.

Alex Smith has never had job security because he's never played particularly well. He was told repeatedly he was the starter - all the while the team has been trying to acquire someone to replace him. Or did you forget about SF's pursuit of Peyton Manning?

You are right about one and only one thing - its the team's job to determine if a player is allowed to play or not - but the team's staff cant do that job if the player lies to them and is not forthcoming about how he feels. It doesnt matter how many trainers you have - they are incapeable of doing their job if the player does not cooperate.
What I am saying is the Patriots basically told Bledsoe he is the franchise quarterback, no one will replace you we just gave you the biggest contract in NFL history, and your back up is a 6th round pick... What exactly happened to Bledsoe when he was taken out of the game? I am saying even though it may seem his job is guaranteed... in the NFL it never is. Like I said if Cousins plays out of his mind it creates a problem going into the off season on who to start. If I was an NFL player and I knew my job was on the line every snap, I would not allow some one else to get the opportunity to get my job.

Other teams deal with the exact same thing. Players will always say they are fine and able to go back in, especially with concussions, its the trainers job to say no you are lying and wrong, you need to stay out. I don't put the responsibility of determining if they are fine or not on the player. That makes a trainer useless then.
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