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Old 12-19-2012, 06:57 PM   #106
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Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!

At this point Jet fans are so desperate for a QB that Josh McCown is probably starting to look good. Believe me as a Redskin fan I've been there. Ironically though it's not really Sanchez's fault. Granted no NFL QB should struggle weak in and weak out to break the 200 yard mark but the personel has gotten significantly worse around him. Aging O-Line, weak running game, no real good receiving threats. Either way I'm glad we lost our bid to trade up for him.
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Old 12-19-2012, 07:05 PM   #107
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At this point Jet fans are so desperate for a QB that Josh McCown is probably starting to look good. Believe me as a Redskin fan I've been there. Ironically though it's not really Sanchez's fault. Granted no NFL QB should struggle weak in and weak out to break the 200 yard mark but the personel has gotten significantly worse around him. Aging O-Line, weak running game, no real good receiving threats. Either way I'm glad we lost our bid to trade up for him.
I had no idea we bid for Sanchez...geez.
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Old 12-19-2012, 07:23 PM   #108
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This knee-jerk let's trade Cousins thinking reminds me of when we let Ryan Clark go (still pissed about this). This is Vinny-think. I know it's not the same situation but c'mon, we want these guys on our team.
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Old 12-19-2012, 08:52 PM   #109
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The only real answer is to wait until we get an offer we cant refuse. Cousins is going to leave as soon he can, he wants to start, not back up. That means we have three total years to get what we can for him and train a replacement. This is year one. Once we get an offer that is too rich for us to turn down he will be gone.

That is the only way to play this. If he leaves via FA after year 4 - I think we miss a huge opportunity.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:43 PM   #110
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I know this makes some mad but here goes,,,,,, KC1 stays put, he has skills and will be a great backup for RGIII and when the time comes and it will be sooner than later if the galloping gazelle doesn't watch himself on the field Capain Kirk will step in and take the reigns quite nicely I believe.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:29 PM   #111
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I know this makes some mad but here goes,,,,,, KC1 stays put, he has skills and will be a great backup for RGIII and when the time comes and it will be sooner than later if the galloping gazelle doesn't watch himself on the field Capain Kirk will step in and take the reigns quite nicely I believe.
YEAAAHH !! EXACTLY !! ... Wait ? ... Didn't that kinda just happen last week ???
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The Jets need a new Head Coach more than anything else.
Can you provide tangible evidence to support this claim?
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Can you provide tangible evidence to support this claim?
Rex Ryan inherited a team that went 9-7 the year before him, and goes 9-7 again but just got lucky that he made the playoffs. He has no leadership in that locker room, his team looks completely lost, for some reason the drafts before he was there were solid even with the GM they had (with the exception Gholston of course) and then when he arrives they start picking players like... Mark Sanchez. A bunch of questionable off season moves like giving Scott 48 million when he was on the decline, looked good a couple of games and everyone thought he was a beast. This year he is showing that one season is not worth what they signed him for.

Rex Ryan is a defensive coordinator he has shown lack of leadership in that locker room, he does not evaluate talent well at all seeing as all his good players were there before he arrived, he inherited a good/talented team and then messed it up and you can see just by watching the jets they are leaderless.
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Keep Cousins as long as you can.
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Rex Ryan inherited a team that went 9-7 the year before him, and goes 9-7 again but just got lucky that he made the playoffs. He has no leadership in that locker room, his team looks completely lost, for some reason the drafts before he was there were solid even with the GM they had (with the exception Gholston of course) and then when he arrives they start picking players like... Mark Sanchez. A bunch of questionable off season moves like giving Scott 48 million when he was on the decline, looked good a couple of games and everyone thought he was a beast. This year he is showing that one season is not worth what they signed him for.

Rex Ryan is a defensive coordinator he has shown lack of leadership in that locker room, he does not evaluate talent well at all seeing as all his good players were there before he arrived, he inherited a good/talented team and then messed it up and you can see just by watching the jets they are leaderless.
Boil it down to the simple fact that the Jets have no ability to select quality, or even mediocre players in the draft or via Free Agency. They have NO ONE around Sanchez. Defense is average, no run game, no receivers to throw to. NOTHING. The GM and Rexy's personnel selections ain't so sexy. Poopoo talent=bye bye job.
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Boil it down to the simple fact that the Jets have no ability to select quality, or even mediocre players in the draft or via Free Agency. They have NO ONE around Sanchez. Defense is average, no run game, no receivers to throw to. NOTHING. The GM and Rexy's personnel selections ain't so sexy. Poopoo talent=bye bye job.
Exactly, all their quality players were selected during the Eric Mangini era, now the question is will anyone want to trade for Sanchez.
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Exactly, all their quality players were selected during the Eric Mangini era, now the question is will anyone want to trade for Sanchez.
Someone will be stupid enough to. Arizona, Buffalo, Kansas City, maybe even Jacksonville, Oakland or San Diego (If Rivers is traded).
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Rex Ryan inherited a team that went 9-7 the year before him, and goes 9-7 again but just got lucky that he made the playoffs. He has no leadership in that locker room, his team looks completely lost, for some reason the drafts before he was there were solid even with the GM they had (with the exception Gholston of course) and then when he arrives they start picking players like... Mark Sanchez. A bunch of questionable off season moves like giving Scott 48 million when he was on the decline, looked good a couple of games and everyone thought he was a beast. This year he is showing that one season is not worth what they signed him for.

Rex Ryan is a defensive coordinator he has shown lack of leadership in that locker room, he does not evaluate talent well at all seeing as all his good players were there before he arrived, he inherited a good/talented team and then messed it up and you can see just by watching the jets they are leaderless.
^^This. Plus watching Hard Knocks with all Rex's yelling and screaming is not how a strong leader and in-control coach acts. It wont matter who the Jets bring in at QB or any other position, as long as Rex is HC that team is going nowhere.
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Rex Ryan inherited a team that went 9-7 the year before him, and goes 9-7 again but just got lucky that he made the playoffs. He has no leadership in that locker room, his team looks completely lost, for some reason the drafts before he was there were solid even with the GM they had (with the exception Gholston of course) and then when he arrives they start picking players like... Mark Sanchez. A bunch of questionable off season moves like giving Scott 48 million when he was on the decline, looked good a couple of games and everyone thought he was a beast. This year he is showing that one season is not worth what they signed him for.

Rex Ryan is a defensive coordinator he has shown lack of leadership in that locker room, he does not evaluate talent well at all seeing as all his good players were there before he arrived, he inherited a good/talented team and then messed it up and you can see just by watching the jets they are leaderless.
OK let's start with a definition of Tangible evidencs. "Evidence that can be supported by numbers" otherwise known as "Tangible Data" (my paraphrase). You started off well by using the teams 9-7 record the year before he took over and then provided his 9-7 record the next year. You then did state that he made the playoffs. Here is all of the tangible evidence that you left out.

Mangini - 9-7 - 3rd in AFC East - Missed Playoffs
Ryan - 9-7 - 2nd in AFC East - Lost AFC Championship Game
Ryan - 11-5 - 2nd in AFC East - Lost AFC Championship Game
Ryan - 8-8 - 2nd in AFC East - Missed Playoffs
Ryan - 6-8 - 2nd in AFC East - Missed playoffs (out of contention week 16)

Ryan is 34-28 (.548) in the regular season and 4-2 in the post season (.667)

He has made the playoffs 2 out of 4 seasons


Let's put that into a comparison

Coughlin w Giants 82-60 (.577) in the regular season and 8-3 in the post season (.727)

He has made the playoffs 5 out of 9 seasons.

The numbers are comparable. Rex may not have Coughlin's 2 Superbowl's but he has very similar numbers.

The intangibles as you stated would be the bad personnel decisions and the lack of maturity in the Lockerroom etc.

You state that he has shown lack of leadership in the locker room. That's debatable. Some coaches want the locker room to run wild. It doesn't mean that he is not in charge, he want's them a little out of control. Examples include Jimmy Johnson at the University of Miami and the Oakland Raiders with Al Davis.

You said that he doesn't evaluate talent well at all. Well, I will not agree or disagree with this one. I will say that the last time I checked however, each NFL team has it's own scouts, talent evaluators, and GM. It's their job to evaluate talent. The HC just chips in, but it is not ultimately his job.

You say that they are leaderless, I would say that offensively you would be correct; Mark Sanchez is not a good leader. On defense they have plently of leadership and they play pretty good. That's not a lack of leadership from coaching it's a lack of leadership from the player. You cannot make someone be a leader. Trust me.

You state that he inherited a good team. Brett Favre couldn't make that offense good. He led the Vikings to the playoffs the very next season.

I think that if you give Rex a decent and mature QB, then the Jets can be a force in the NFL.
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