Black Monday: NFL Coaches and Executives Carousel

BigHairedAristocrat · 01-16-2013, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

Anyone who wins two Grey Cups and has a distinguished record besides is definitely worth a shot.

winning two grey cups is not a particularly impressive accomplishment. There are only 8 teams in the CFL for goodness sake. Other than that, i dont know what accomplishments he has that could be considered "distinguished." He's had alot of NFL position group/OC jobs over the years but none of them are remotely impressive.

From his his wikipedia webpage:

Marc Trestman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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NFL Draft Training CoachAccording to Trestman's website, "Marc has been one of the most trusted and respected QB coaches in the game. Which is why every off-season, the top NFL draft prospects call on Marc to work them out in preparation for the their Pro Day and the NFL Combine".

Some of the QBs who have been trained by Trestman include: Brandon Weeden (1st round pick by the Cleveland Browns), Brock Osweiler (2nd round pick by the Denver Broncos), Tim Tebow (1st round pick by the Denver Broncos), Jimmy Clausen (2nd round pick by the Carolina Panthers) and Jason Campbell (1st round pick by the Washington Redskins).

That list is a joke - I actually laughed out loud at my desk. Trestman takes bad quarterbacks and teaches them a few parlor tricks so they look deceptively good at their pro-days. Then, NFL teams spend high draft picks on these guys and they go on to become colossal busts. Trestman = Snake Oil.

I do agree with your thought that he "deserves a shot" - as opposed to others here who seem to think the Bears made some sort of great hire. Hey, everyone deserves a shot, right? Still, the Bears fired Lovie Smith for this guy, and I view that as a major downgrade.

CultBrennan59 · 01-16-2013, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Bears name Marc Trestman HC, great choice

I agree. What his resume was as an OC throughout the NFL, speaks for itself. I think it'll work out great for him, the bears and jay cutler (hopefully Brandon Marshall won't bitch and whine at him like in the past with new HCs)

skinsfaninok · 01-16-2013, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

winning two grey cups is not a particularly impressive accomplishment. There are only 8 teams in the CFL for goodness sake. Other than that, i dont know what accomplishments he has that could be considered "distinguished." He's had alot of NFL position group/OC jobs over the years but none of them are remotely impressive.

From his his wikipedia webpage:

Marc Trestman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That list is a joke - I actually laughed out loud at my desk. Trestman takes bad quarterbacks and teaches them a few parlor tricks so they look deceptively good at their pro-days. Then, NFL teams spend high draft picks on these guys and they go on to become colossal busts. Trestman = Snake Oil.

I do agree with your thought that he "deserves a shot" - as opposed to others here who seem to think the Bears made some sort of great hire. Hey, everyone deserves a shot, right? Still, the Bears fired Lovie Smith for this guy, and I view that as a major downgrade.

Yeah idk much about the guy but that list is a terrible example to use lol.. also if he was so great why was he in the CFL?

SmootSmack · 01-16-2013, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

SS .... Doesn't seem to be much interest in Kyle .
Have you heard anything otherwise. Thought he was going to be a hot candidate.
Hope he stays. So I guess this is a good thing.

Well I thought Carolina might be an option, but otherwise no haven't heard anything

SmootSmack · 01-16-2013, 10:48 AM

You should really do more research on Trestman. You're missing a lot

punch it in · 01-16-2013, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

winning two grey cups is not a particularly impressive accomplishment. There are only 8 teams in the CFL for goodness sake. Other than that, i dont know what accomplishments he has that could be considered "distinguished." He's had alot of NFL position group/OC jobs over the years but none of them are remotely impressive.

From his his wikipedia webpage:

Marc Trestman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That list is a joke - I actually laughed out loud at my desk. Trestman takes bad quarterbacks and teaches them a few parlor tricks so they look deceptively good at their pro-days. Then, NFL teams spend high draft picks on these guys and they go on to become colossal busts. Trestman = Snake Oil.

I do agree with your thought that he "deserves a shot" - as opposed to others here who seem to think the Bears made some sort of great hire. Hey, everyone deserves a shot, right? Still, the Bears fired Lovie Smith for this guy, and I view that as a major downgrade.

How about Kosar, Gannon, Plummer, and Scott Mitchell( for his one huge year) ?
Edit: as Arizona OC they went to the playoffs for the first time since 1982, and look at what he did in 2002 with Oakland as their OC. Everywhere the guy goes there is success and offensive records are broken. He won a bowl game with NC State as their OC.
This is a great hire.
Edit: also BHA that list is a list of guys he prepared for the draft. Prepped for the combines. So - the fact that they were pretty much busts as first round picks sort of speaks to his genius. I mean somehow he made them look goid enough for teams to buy in. He was not their coach. Look at the QB's he coached. Seems to me that when he is around a qb they shine. Whether for the combine or for the season.

SmootSmack · 01-16-2013, 11:08 AM

Cowboys ST coach Joe DeCamillis taking same position with Bears whose ST coach left for same position with Chiefs

Lotus · 01-16-2013, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

winning two grey cups is not a particularly impressive accomplishment. There are only 8 teams in the CFL for goodness sake. Other than that, i dont know what accomplishments he has that could be considered "distinguished." He's had alot of NFL position group/OC jobs over the years but none of them are remotely impressive.

From his his wikipedia webpage:

Marc Trestman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That list is a joke - I actually laughed out loud at my desk. Trestman takes bad quarterbacks and teaches them a few parlor tricks so they look deceptively good at their pro-days. Then, NFL teams spend high draft picks on these guys and they go on to become colossal busts. Trestman = Snake Oil.

I do agree with your thought that he "deserves a shot" - as opposed to others here who seem to think the Bears made some sort of great hire. Hey, everyone deserves a shot, right? Still, the Bears fired Lovie Smith for this guy, and I view that as a major downgrade.

Actually winning two Grey Cups is quite meaningful. Lots of people are good OC's and QB coaches but cannot make the leap to head coach. Trestman has a track record of successfully making that leap.

We should expect the Bears to lead the NFL in rouges.

BigHairedAristocrat · 01-16-2013, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You should really do more research on Trestman. You're missing a lot

If its not on wikipedia, it didnt happen.

BigHairedAristocrat · 01-16-2013, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by punch it in

How about Kosar, Gannon, Plummer, and Scott Mitchell( for his one huge year) ?
Edit: as Arizona OC they went to the playoffs for the first time since 1982, and look at what he did in 2002 with Oakland as their OC. Everywhere the guy goes there is success and offensive records are broken. He won a bowl game with NC State as their OC.
This is a great hire.
Edit: also BHA that list is a list of guys he prepared for the draft. Prepped for the combines. So - the fact that they were pretty much busts as first round picks sort of speaks to his genius. I mean somehow he made them look goid enough for teams to buy in. He was not their coach. Look at the QB's he coached. Seems to me that when he is around a qb they shine. Whether for the combine or for the season.

If you mean hes a genius at being a charlatan, youre right. None of the QBs you mentioned are particularly impressive either, but thats just me. Saying everywhere he goes is a success is also ridiculous.... winning a college bowl game - lol... if thats an important accomplishment, then that would make about 500 guys out there qualified to be head coaches in your opinion.

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Originally Posted by Lotus

Actually winning two Grey Cups is quite meaningful. Lots of people are good OC's and QB coaches but cannot make the leap to head coach. Trestman has a track record of successfully making that leap.

We should expect the Bears to lead the NFL in rouges.

He has a 1 in 8 chance of winning every year. Jim Zorn would probably win it a few times, too. The fact that he's done so twice is not remotely meaningful in the context of being an NFL head coach. Thanks to Lovie Smith, the Bears are already a great football team.

I expect them to start out fairly hot, just like Zorn did when taking over for Gibbs. Within a year or two, the Lovie-effect will wear off, the Bears will decline, and Trestman will be out.

SmootSmack · 01-16-2013, 11:56 AM

Aaron Kromer is headed to Chicago to be the OC. Won't matter because the Bears are about to go 0-16 apparently

BigHairedAristocrat · 01-16-2013, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Aaron Kromer is headed to Chicago to be the OC. Won't matter because the Bears are about to go 0-16 apparently

I know you werent replying to me, but I wanted to say that I dont think so. As i said, they are a very talented team. Trestman will coast off of Lovies success for a while. I definitely see them as a 7-9 to 9-7 team in 2013, afterwhich theyll decline until Trestmans fired. I really wish the Eagles had hired him.

Chico23231 · 01-16-2013, 12:03 PM

Even though Marshall Lynch's season is over, I see several still feel the need to go Beast Mode

SmootSmack · 01-16-2013, 12:04 PM

I think Trestman is one of the better offensive minds pro football has seen in the last three decades. It's a shame he's never got his opportunity to be a HC. I'm rooting for him big time.

SmootSmack · 01-16-2013, 12:07 PM

Whoa Mort saying that Chip Kelly has accepted the Eagles HC job

01-16-2013, 10:48 AM	#365
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,105	Re: Black Monday: NFL Coaches and Executives Carousel You should really do more research on Trestman. You're missing a lot __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

01-16-2013, 11:08 AM	#367
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,105	Re: Black Monday: NFL Coaches and Executives Carousel Cowboys ST coach Joe DeCamillis taking same position with Bears whose ST coach left for same position with Chiefs __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

01-16-2013, 11:56 AM	#371
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,105	Re: Black Monday: NFL Coaches and Executives Carousel Aaron Kromer is headed to Chicago to be the OC. Won't matter because the Bears are about to go 0-16 apparently __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

01-16-2013, 12:03 PM	#373
Chico23231 Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 36 Posts: 7,799	Re: Black Monday: NFL Coaches and Executives Carousel Even though Marshall Lynch's season is over, I see several still feel the need to go Beast Mode __________________ Ready for the Draft.

01-16-2013, 12:04 PM	#374
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,105	Re: Black Monday: NFL Coaches and Executives Carousel I think Trestman is one of the better offensive minds pro football has seen in the last three decades. It's a shame he's never got his opportunity to be a HC. I'm rooting for him big time. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

01-16-2013, 12:07 PM	#375
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,105	Re: Black Monday: NFL Coaches and Executives Carousel Whoa Mort saying that Chip Kelly has accepted the Eagles HC job __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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