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Old 12-31-2012, 03:49 PM   #46
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I'm not comfortable with Lovie Smith getting fired; it doesn't sit well with me.

To be fair the Bears never tried to mislead the public into thinking Lovie was going to be safe this year and they made it pretty clear that his time there had run its course. But for a consistent winner to get fired following a 10-6 season because of the way the tiebreakers fell is pretty shitty, given how excited/emotional the responses and the futures are here to the same 10 wins and 6 losses.

The racial component isn't helping it sit well, even though I thoroughly believe that has nothing to do with it. It just makes a crappy situation (new GM parts ways with largely successful coach he didn't hire) look a lot worse than it is.

In Andy Reid's case, at least the Eagles waited for the team to fall apart on him before they pulled the trigger.
Lovie Smith will indeed land somewhere else. By the Bears firing him, they are just doing another NFL franchise a huge favor much how the Bucs did to Tony Dungy and he landed with Indianapolis and won a SB.

With all Andy Reid accomplished in Philly, you know when the McNabb era was over things were going to head downhill for him and they did. For a team that finished at 8-8 last season, you knew the Eagles were on a decline and wouldn't improve in the least. This is very similar to Jim Zorn's 2 seasons with the Redskins.
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Old 12-31-2012, 03:50 PM   #47
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Lovie will be fine, I'm just not comfortable with it.
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Old 12-31-2012, 04:05 PM   #48
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Yep, I'm on his bandwagon.

If there is in fact a succession plan, I'd rather not wait for it
Wait, so you'd like to cut ties with mike now and just hand it to Kyle? I'm confused
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Old 12-31-2012, 04:19 PM   #49
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Uh, well, when last year you start 7-3 and miss the playoffs, and then this year you start 7-1 and miss the playoffs, you usually get fired.

I think Lovie Smith will definitely land on his feet again, but collapses like that are never good, especially not in consecutive seasons.
Pretty much what it comes down to. Two consecutive late season collapses will get you fired in this league more often than not. Plus he missed the playoffs 5 of his last 6 seasons.

Sucks for him... if he doesn't get another HC gig he's bound to end up with a DC job.
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Lovie will be fine, I'm just not comfortable with it.
Was he responsible for giving Tice the OC job? Tice was terrible. And they had Martz before him?
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Old 12-31-2012, 04:35 PM   #51
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Wait, so you'd like to cut ties with mike now and just hand it to Kyle? I'm confused
I've never been pro succession plan in general, but Kyle is ready.

I'm not saying I believe Kyle will necessarily be the head coach here because this could be mikes job as long as he wants it. The situation I want to avoid is one where Kyle stays on as an overqualified OC waiting for his father to call it a career.
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I've never been pro succession plan in general, but Kyle is ready.

I'm not saying I believe Kyle will necessarily be the head coach here because this could be mikes job as long as he wants it. The situation I want to avoid is one where Kyle stays on as an overqualified OC waiting for his father to call it a career.
Why would that be a bad thing for the Skins? Just curious what pitfalls you would be wanting to avoid
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Old 12-31-2012, 04:52 PM   #53
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Anyone hear Andy Rieds last words in Philly? "Hail to the Eagles". Did he hear the Skins song to much last night? I've never heard Hail to the Eagles.
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Arizona Cardinals fire Ken Whisenhunt, Rod Graves -- source - ESPN

Can add Whisenhunt and Rod Graves to that list. Coach and GM both out.




I still laugh at some of the guys around here boasting up the likes of Whisenhunt and Schwartz....lol
Whisenhunt was a damn good coach when he had Kurt Warner. Right?
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Andy Reid needs a change of scenery in the worst way. It was time for him and the Eagles to move on.
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Old 12-31-2012, 06:03 PM   #56
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Anyone hear Andy Rieds last words in Philly? "Hail to the Eagles". Did he hear the Skins song to much last night? I've never heard Hail to the Eagles.
He's a befuddled old man.
He should just go sit on a beach and watch the walrus's mate.
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Old 12-31-2012, 06:30 PM   #57
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Why would that be a bad thing for the Skins? Just curious what pitfalls you would be wanting to avoid
I don't think it's a bad thing for the Skins necessarily, but it certainly increases the chances that Kyle takes an opportunity outside the organization so that Mike can stay on longer. In which case, we'd be better off without a succession plan.

If the plan is for Kyle to be head coach, then name him head coach and promote Mike. My point is just that Kyle is ready now.
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Was he responsible for giving Tice the OC job? Tice was terrible. And they had Martz before him?
The pitfalls id like to avoid is giving the job to Kyle and he not do well if he not ready, or Kyle going to some other team right after we picker up our franchise QB and Kyle schemed around his abilities.

Let MS's contract go full term with son as OC. Give Kyle the title Asst HC. And hopefully in 2 yrs MS will give the position to son and dad keeps the front office job to help out if needed.
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Old 12-31-2012, 06:56 PM   #59
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Arizona Cardinals fire Ken Whisenhunt, Rod Graves -- source - ESPN

Can add Whisenhunt and Rod Graves to that list. Coach and GM both out.




I still laugh at some of the guys around here boasting up the likes of Whisenhunt and Schwartz....lol
Whisenhunt dug his own Graves. Ok, bad puns aside, I mean when you trot out this appalling list of qb's post-Kurt Warner, for three consecutive seasons, you deserve to be fired. Check the talent on this list:

Derek Anderson, John Skelton, and Max Hall in 2010
Kolb and Skelton in 2011
Skelton, Kolb, Lindley, and Hoyer in 2012

Shit, if Mike Shanahan had stuck with a Grossman/Beck-esque player for this season I have no doubts he'd have been shitcanned too. I can understand having a terrible quarterback for one year or even two years like we did (because Mike S. didn't want to settle for a Gabbert after the McNabb disaster) but 3 years in a row? That's just terrible team-building. The difference between us and the Cards is we got rid of McNabb and just admitted it was a disaster, whereas the Cards gave Kolb another chance.
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Old 01-01-2013, 12:56 AM   #60
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being a head coach is more than X's and O's, so i have no idea how you can say kyle's ready right now.

norv is a good OC with no leadership ability, and is a horrible head coach. being great at one job doesn't mean you'll be great at the other.

i do believe he should be in line for the job, but it's working the way it's set up now, so let's run with that. if there is a serious issue of kyle leaving, then you can reconsider, but i think he's safe for this year at least.
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