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Old 01-01-2013, 01:15 AM   #61
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I don't think it's a bad thing for the Skins necessarily, but it certainly increases the chances that Kyle takes an opportunity outside the organization so that Mike can stay on longer. In which case, we'd be better off without a succession plan.

If the plan is for Kyle to be head coach, then name him head coach and promote Mike. My point is just that Kyle is ready now.
If Kyle goes anywhere do u think he would try to trade with the skins for cousins?
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Old 01-01-2013, 10:54 AM   #62
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I don't think it's a bad thing for the Skins necessarily, but it certainly increases the chances that Kyle takes an opportunity outside the organization so that Mike can stay on longer. In which case, we'd be better off without a succession plan.

If the plan is for Kyle to be head coach, then name him head coach and promote Mike. My point is just that Kyle is ready now.
I'm confused by what you're saying. Kyle came here to coach under his dad, as a full fledged OC. This is the job Kyle wanted, not just taking whatever option was best, this was really a handpicked job. So I don't think Kyle is wanting to leave while things are looking up here.

A succession plan is a rare thing. And even then rarely works out. Petitbon, Gregg Williams (Snyder killed that)... But keeping a good system helps a team. So I think in this case we're better off with a Shanahan successor plan.

Kyle may be ready, no argument there, but seems to me like young coaches nowadays typically have a horrible first stint as HC. Read or heard that somewhere, and it rings true to me. This seems like a good situation to increase his experience as an OC, and increase his value to other teams.

In basic bargaining terms: The better Kyle looks over time, where he doesn't HAVE to go anywhere if he doesn't want to, the more leverage he should have to get a great contract when he does go.

Meantime I hope we keep him. I don't know exactly how much of this offensive success on Kyle (group effort on gameplanning during the week, Mike seems pretty involved on the sidelines but maybe not), but my bet is "a lot". Let's keep what works.
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Old 01-01-2013, 11:01 AM   #63
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Old 01-01-2013, 11:06 AM   #64
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I'm confused by what you're saying. Kyle came here to coach under his dad, as a full fledged OC. This is the job Kyle wanted, not just taking whatever option was best, this was really a handpicked job. So I don't think Kyle is wanting to leave while things are looking up here.

A succession plan is a rare thing. And even then rarely works out. Petitbon, Gregg Williams (Snyder killed that)... But keeping a good system helps a team. So I think in this case we're better off with a Shanahan successor plan.

Kyle may be ready, no argument there, but seems to me like young coaches nowadays typically have a horrible first stint as HC. Read or heard that somewhere, and it rings true to me. This seems like a good situation to increase his experience as an OC, and increase his value to other teams.

In basic bargaining terms: The better Kyle looks over time, where he doesn't HAVE to go anywhere if he doesn't want to, the more leverage he should have to get a great contract when he does go.

Meantime I hope we keep him. I don't know exactly how much of this offensive success on Kyle (group effort on gameplanning during the week, Mike seems pretty involved on the sidelines but maybe not), but my bet is "a lot". Let's keep what works.
I really agree with the bolded part.

I feel like the Redskins can keep Kyle Shanahan and Mike Shanahan in their current capacities for the 2013 season, but if the team wins 11+ next year and is even better than this years team, Kyle immediately becomes the hottest candidate out there (if he isn't already). That means while we might be able to get away this year simply because no great jobs are coming open (even though Chicago and Philadelphia are both open now), we're still going to hit the same issue a year down the road.

Alternatively, if the team were to backslide, you have a bigger issue with a succession plan, so I feel that the team is either best off promoting immediately, or taking it year to year and allowing Kyle to choose the situation that is best for him.
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Yeah, I'm not totally on board with the ide Kyle should be successor. I do want him to stay as OC, however. Too many, way too many, examples of stellar coordinators being promoted to head coach and end up sucking hard. I'm all for extending Mike.
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If Kyle goes anywhere do u think he would try to trade with the skins for cousins?
Not necessarily.
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being a head coach is more than X's and O's, so i have no idea how you can say kyle's ready right now.

norv is a good OC with no leadership ability, and is a horrible head coach. being great at one job doesn't mean you'll be great at the other.

i do believe he should be in line for the job, but it's working the way it's set up now, so let's run with that. if there is a serious issue of kyle leaving, then you can reconsider, but i think he's safe for this year at least.
I tend to agree, and I've heard others say he's not quite ready yet either, as far as dealing with the media and being out there as the face of a team.

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This is why some key people in the organization think Raheem is the better HC candidate than Kyle.

Because of the "intangibles"
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I really agree with the bolded part.

I feel like the Redskins can keep Kyle Shanahan and Mike Shanahan in their current capacities for the 2013 season, but if the team wins 11+ next year and is even better than this years team, Kyle immediately becomes the hottest candidate out there (if he isn't already). That means while we might be able to get away this year simply because no great jobs are coming open (even though Chicago and Philadelphia are both open now), we're still going to hit the same issue a year down the road.

Alternatively, if the team were to backslide, you have a bigger issue with a succession plan, so I feel that the team is either best off promoting immediately, or taking it year to year and allowing Kyle to choose the situation that is best for him.
I just don't see what the problem is with a successor plan. It's not set in concrete. Even if it is (The Williams plan), it can be jettisoned. To me, it's a nice option to have. And like a lot of things in life, having a plan is good even if you end up going in a different direction.
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Old 01-01-2013, 11:35 AM   #70
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I don't think there's any chance Kyle becomes our head coach. Such logic assumes mike shanahan will retire in 2 years when his contracts up. Mike will only be 62 then. Why would he want to retire from coaching? And we certainly couldn't fire him and promote Kyle. At some point, Kyle is going to leave and be a head coach somewhere else. I just hope he grooms his replacement before he goes. I'm not comfortable with mike shanahan being head coach and play caller.
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I tend to agree, and I've heard others say he's not quite ready yet either, as far as dealing with the media and being out there as the face of a team.

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Agree. Remember Kyle running down the hall berating the official early in the season? Cant do that. I think Kyle needs a little more time.

@BHA, Mike Shanny regarded as one of the best playcallers in the league when he was doing it. I wouldnt have a problem with him doing both.
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Agree. Remember Kyle running down the hall berating the official early in the season? Cant do that. I think Kyle needs a little more time.

@BHA, Mike Shanny regarded as one of the best playcallers in the league when he was doing it. I wouldnt have a problem with him doing both.
Yeah, that was incredibly immature.

But to be fair, it was 14 games ago. Recent evidence suggests he's ready to take more on his plate.
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I just don't see what the problem is with a successor plan. It's not set in concrete. Even if it is (The Williams plan), it can be jettisoned. To me, it's a nice option to have. And like a lot of things in life, having a plan is good even if you end up going in a different direction.
That's fair enough.
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Agree. Remember Kyle running down the hall berating the official early in the season? Cant do that. I think Kyle needs a little more time.
He wouldn't be the first HC to berate an official and until they (officials) become perfect I'd hope to see more of the same.

I understand it's against the rules but WTF is up with a system where they can make a howlingly awful call, most recently the prolonged Cowboys snap that resulted in a TD, and the coaches have to meekly accept it?

I want a coach that fights for the call to be correct.
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He wouldn't be the first HC to berate an official and until they (officials) become perfect I'd hope to see more of the same.

I understand it's against the rules but WTF is up with a system where they can make a howlingly awful call, most recently the prolonged Cowboys snap that resulted in a TD, and the coaches have to meekly accept it?

I want a coach that fights for the call to be correct.
Yeah, but you cant chase the official off the field into the tunnel. You have to take the proper steps after the game with the league.

bad calls happen all the time, cant get hung up on it
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