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skinsfaninok · 01-01-2013, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Still think Arizona should do its due diligence first

Not a fan of Reid to AZ?

CultBrennan59 · 01-01-2013, 10:06 PM

I wouldn't have fired Whisenhunt in AZ. He took them to a super bowl. His QB is Kevin Kolb. Yes that is his/GM's mistake for getting him, but I would have just fired the GM. This team started off great then injuries hit the OL hard and the QB had zero time to throw. I would have given Whisenhunt another year to fix the team.

Also Andy Reid--although I agree he should take time off--maybe he knows that football is best for him to get his mind off of his sons death. I remember hearing Mike Shanahan saying that the time off he had from coaching was fun, but after a couple of months it got old, he got bored and his wife was telling him to get out of the house. Reid knows what he's doing. I think he would be great in San Diego, Arizona, and Cleveland.

The thing I'm most curious to see is where Chip Kelly ends up

skinsfaninok · 01-01-2013, 10:14 PM

ESPN said earlier that Cleveland wants saban really bad, I just don't see him being a great NFL head coach. Chip Kelly may stay at Oregon, they will offer him a great deal I'm sure but we'll see. I agree with Wiz he was good in Arizona.

SmootSmack · 01-01-2013, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

ESPN said earlier that Cleveland wants saban really bad, I just don't see him being a great NFL head coach. Chip Kelly may stay at Oregon, they will offer him a great deal I'm sure but we'll see. I agree with Wiz he was good in Arizona.

Really don't see Saban in Cleveland. Chip Kelly is being pretty heavily pursued by Philly and Cleveland. I think he likes the idea of San Diego. If I was Carolina, I'd call him.

Reid in Arizona, does that mean he'll be the GM there too?

SFREDSKIN · 01-01-2013, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

ESPN said earlier that Cleveland wants saban really bad, I just don't see him being a great NFL head coach. Chip Kelly may stay at Oregon, they will offer him a great deal I'm sure but we'll see. I agree with Wiz he was good in Arizona.

Saban was an assistant coach for Belichick in Cleveland. Belichick had quite the coaching staff and personnel in Cleveland, the move to Baltimore screwed everything for Belichick. He had Saban, Schwartz, Mangini, Ferentz, Michael Lombardi, Ozzie Newsome, Pioli, Demitroff, Phil Savage, Mike Tannenbaum. That is impressive, 6 GM's, 3 NFL coaches (4 if you count Belichick), 2 college coaches. Belichick was surrounded with lots of brain power.

Watch this piece if you get a chance, great stuff!

NFL Communications - Story of 1995 Cleveland Browns Detailed on NFL Network’s ‘Cleveland ’95: A Football Life’ «

skinsfaninok · 01-01-2013, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Saban was an assistant coach for Belichick in Cleveland. Belichick had quite the coaching staff and personnel in Cleveland, the move to Baltimore screwed everything for Belichick. He had Saban, Schwartz, Mangini, Ferentz, Michael Lombardi, Ozzie Newsome, Pioli, Demitroff, Phil Savage, Mike Tannenbaum. That is impressive, 6 GM's, 3 NFL coaches (4 if you count Belichick), 2 college coaches. Belichick was surrounded with lots of brain power.

Watch this piece if you get a chance, great stuff!

NFL Communications - Story of 1995 Cleveland Browns Detailed on NFL Network’s ‘Cleveland ’95: A Football Life’ «

I saw that today. Wow

skinsfaninok · 01-01-2013, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Really don't see Saban in Cleveland. Chip Kelly is being pretty heavily pursued by Philly and Cleveland. I think he likes the idea of San Diego. If I was Carolina, I'd call him.

Reid in Arizona, does that mean he'll be the GM there too?

I don't think Reid would work well as the GM and HC but then again he's a damn good football guy so who knows.

donofriose · 01-01-2013, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I don't think Reid would work well as the GM and HC but then again he's a damn good football guy so who knows.

I thought he was basically in charge of all football operations until 2 or 3 seasons ago. There was Heckert but I always thought and heard that the person with the final say was Reid, basically making him in charge of everything.

donofriose · 01-01-2013, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Really don't see Saban in Cleveland. Chip Kelly is being pretty heavily pursued by Philly and Cleveland. I think he likes the idea of San Diego. If I was Carolina, I'd call him.

I think anyone would be crazy to leave Alabama for Cleveland and inherit their mess. Kelly seems like the kind of coach who would want to be in charge of all personel and football operations.

skinsfaninok · 01-01-2013, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by donofriose

I thought he was basically in charge of all football operations until 2 or 3 seasons ago. There was Heckert but I always thought and heard that the person with the final say was Reid, basically making him in charge of everything.

That could be right, if so then yes he could be GM and HC. Arizona isn't as bad off as they looked, the offense is bad but in a couple seasons Reid could turn that around.

SFREDSKIN · 01-01-2013, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by donofriose

I think anyone would be crazy to leave Alabama for Cleveland and inherit their mess. Kelly seems like the kind of coach who would want to be in charge of all personel and football operations.

Cleveland is not a mess they have many really good young players, a few more pieces and they are ready to contend. The Jets are a mess.

skinsfaninok · 01-01-2013, 10:54 PM

Browns are better off than Buffalo and SD IMO.

donofriose · 01-01-2013, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Cleveland is not a mess they have many really good young players, a few more pieces and they are ready to contend. The Jets are a mess.

I will agree with that. I said that statement thinking of the Cleveland organization as a whole throughout the years instead of just looking at the team and its potential. Good young defense, good young oline. Weeden to me does not seem comfortable playing in the NFL though, they seem to missing a QB and an offensive playmaker. I take back the earlier statement.

NC_Skins · 01-01-2013, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Reid in Arizona, does that mean he'll be the GM there too?

One would assume he'd take that role on as well.

Also, what's the deal with the Chiefs?

Clark Hunt, Kansas City Chiefs CEO, taking on bigger role - ESPN

According to this, Hunt is stepping into the front to be a liaison between the head coach and GM (Pioli). The coach will be reporting directly to him and not to the GM.

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"The GM and coach won't always have the same perspective," Hunt said. "But they found a way to get to common ground and make decisions, and that will really be my role, finding the right path for the Chiefs and helping the guys make decisions together."

I get a sense that there is a lot of friction between Pioli and the coaches (Crennel/Haley), and that it's come to the point that he's going to be the in between guy now to eliminate the issues. Used the prior relationship between Marty and Peterson to highlight this.

Am I reading more into this than what's there?

CultBrennan59 · 01-01-2013, 11:06 PM

The thing that sucks for the Jets, Browns, Cardinals, and Bills is that they need QBs, and theres not many QBs in this draft (no RG3's or Andrew Lucks; Maybe someone that can play close to Russell Wilson, but even thats stretching it), so they all have that same non appeal to many potential head coaches looking to go to those places. So I expect all those teams to still be bottom dwellers in the league. Now if one of those teams gets a healthy Mike Vick or possibly Alex Smith, maybe they can be middle of the pack teams.

01-01-2013, 10:06 PM	#107
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,594	Re: Black Monday: NFL Coaches and Executives Carousel I wouldn't have fired Whisenhunt in AZ. He took them to a super bowl. His QB is Kevin Kolb. Yes that is his/GM's mistake for getting him, but I would have just fired the GM. This team started off great then injuries hit the OL hard and the QB had zero time to throw. I would have given Whisenhunt another year to fix the team. Also Andy Reid--although I agree he should take time off--maybe he knows that football is best for him to get his mind off of his sons death. I remember hearing Mike Shanahan saying that the time off he had from coaching was fun, but after a couple of months it got old, he got bored and his wife was telling him to get out of the house. Reid knows what he's doing. I think he would be great in San Diego, Arizona, and Cleveland. The thing I'm most curious to see is where Chip Kelly ends up __________________ When in doubt, go with the SEC

01-01-2013, 10:14 PM	#108
skinsfaninok Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Norman, OK Age: 26 Posts: 12,996	ESPN said earlier that Cleveland wants saban really bad, I just don't see him being a great NFL head coach. Chip Kelly may stay at Oregon, they will offer him a great deal I'm sure but we'll see. I agree with Wiz he was good in Arizona. __________________ Robert Griffin III "if you're good at something, never do it for free"- The Joker

01-01-2013, 10:54 PM	#117
skinsfaninok Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Norman, OK Age: 26 Posts: 12,996	Browns are better off than Buffalo and SD IMO. __________________ Robert Griffin III "if you're good at something, never do it for free"- The Joker

01-01-2013, 11:06 PM	#120
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,594	Re: Black Monday: NFL Coaches and Executives Carousel The thing that sucks for the Jets, Browns, Cardinals, and Bills is that they need QBs, and theres not many QBs in this draft (no RG3's or Andrew Lucks; Maybe someone that can play close to Russell Wilson, but even thats stretching it), so they all have that same non appeal to many potential head coaches looking to go to those places. So I expect all those teams to still be bottom dwellers in the league. Now if one of those teams gets a healthy Mike Vick or possibly Alex Smith, maybe they can be middle of the pack teams. __________________ When in doubt, go with the SEC

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