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Old 01-03-2013, 03:33 PM   #61
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Orakpo has not been the same sense he did those bad Geico comercials.
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Old 01-03-2013, 03:48 PM   #62
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Re: Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?

Yes. I was watching number 72 Stephen Bowen and there was a few plays I saw him just give up and lightly jog and lollygag basically. Let one of them take his spot even though Bowen is listed as DE. Either one of them would be better starting over Bowen. Just venting a bit but I'm proud of them so far.

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Old 01-03-2013, 04:08 PM   #63
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Yes. I was watching number 72 Stephen Bowen and there was a few plays I saw him just give up and lightly jog and lollygag basically. Let one of them take his spot even though Bowen is listed as DE. Either one of them would be better starting over Bowen. Just venting a bit but I'm proud of them so far.
I'm not sure that I entirely agree with your post. But you do get 10 points for using the underused word "lollygag."
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Old 01-03-2013, 04:24 PM   #64
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I'm not entirely sure we use Jackson and Orakpo the same ways. I think we're using Kerrigan more like we used Orakpo and Jackson more like we used Kerrigan before. Might be wrong though.
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What?

You can have Jackson and Orakpo on the field at the sametime, his alignment is a little off, but it can easily be done.
I wasnt critical of hte idea of having jackson, orakpo, (and kerrigan) on the field at the same time. His proposal put Jackson and Jenkins on the field in a 4-3 instead of Bowen and Carriker on the field in a 3-4. I think Bowen and Carriker are much better 3-4 players than Jackson and Jenkins are 4-3 players. His scheme put two backups on the field instead of two more talented starters. It also put in two rookies as safeties with Hall and Wilson still our starting CBs. it was a completely stupid proposal in every way.
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I'm not sure that I entirely agree with your post. But you do get 10 points for using the underused word "lollygag."
I don't think the 10 points you awarded were warranted because the word "lollygagging" is a baseball term.
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Re: Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?

pretty sure lollygagging is just English and had nothing to do with baseball.
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Re: Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?

Rob Jackson is a beast. Brian Orakpo is a beast. If I were Bruce Allen, I would definitely stronger consider trading Orakpo and re-signing Jackson. I'm not saying Bruce should trade Orakpo. I'm saying that he should consider trading him. Jackson has turned out to be a force on defense.

Rob Jackson's stock has definitely increased greatly.
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Rob Jackson is a beast. Brian Orakpo is a beast. If I were Bruce Allen, I would definitely stronger consider trading Orakpo and re-signing Jackson. I'm not saying Bruce should trade Orakpo. I'm saying that he should consider trading him. Jackson has turned out to be a force on defense.

Rob Jackson's stock has definitely increased greatly.
not much of a buy low-sell high kind of guy, are you?
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Old 01-03-2013, 05:56 PM   #72
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Re: Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?

I don't think we should expect Carriker to automatically be the same player when he returns. He's a bit long in the tooth and coming off a nasty injury, so it won't surprise me if he doesn't regain starter status for the 2013 season.

We already run a hybrid 3-4, switching between 4-3 looks and 3-4 looks pretty regularly. Our 4-3 package could be Kerrigan, Cofield, Turd Ferguson, Orakpo on the line and Riley, Fletch and Jackson behind em. The 3-4 look is Jenkins/Carriker, Cofield, Bowen on the line and Kerrigan, Fletcher, Riley, Orakpo/Jackson behind them.

We can keep both guys without breaking the bank. Orakpo's injury and lack of elite production works in our favor, and Jackson can be kept too.
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Old 01-03-2013, 05:59 PM   #73
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Rob Jackson is a beast. Brian Orakpo is a beast. If I were Bruce Allen, I would definitely stronger consider trading Orakpo and re-signing Jackson. I'm not saying Bruce should trade Orakpo. I'm saying that he should consider trading him. Jackson has turned out to be a force on defense.

Rob Jackson's stock has definitely increased greatly.
It's a good idea, but could be hard getting a high pick for Orakpo given injury issues and lack of elite production. If we keep him, albeit on more favorable terms, and Jackson too we could see Orakpo pushed a little bit. Much like the Giants at their peak with a ton of talent along the front 7.
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Winning the NFC East does not discount the fact the Redskins still have to 28th ranked defense in the league. The rest of the team isn't so perfect that they can afford to disregard a principle of NFL defenses. They should be able to create pressure without having to rush six defenders, but since Orakpo went down that hasn't happened.

Ask the 2007 and 2011 Giants if a pass rush is critical.
Winning does trumps all. We play to win, win division titles and Superbowls, not to lead the NFL in sacks stat.
If a pass rush and sacks are so "critical" (using your words), why is that of the top 13 teams that led the NFL in sacks in 2012 over half (eight) of them did not even make the playoffs?
2012 NFL Team Defense Stats - National Football League - ESPN

I am not trying to discount the importance of sacks, just trying to say that it is a fraction of the game and they are not as critical as you and the media want to make it out to be. Stopping the run and running the ball take a back seat in the media coverage of the NFL that wants and tries to make it a Qb driven league and all that Bull Shit. Lost in all of this is our defense is ranked 5th at stopping the run and we are the #1*team at running the ball on offense.

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Old 01-03-2013, 06:10 PM   #75
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Because you're forgetting about Keenan Robinson
To quote Alicia Silverstone in Clueless "My Bad!"

I guess we will just have to get rid of him because we just cannot tolerate that much talent on the defensive side of the ball.
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