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Old 01-04-2013, 06:12 PM   #121
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Re: Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?

What do I know, I said D.Hall was top 15 CB.
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:35 PM   #122
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Re: Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?

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What I would like to see is Hall putting on 10-15 pounds and becoming our starting free safety.
Yeah he'll likely finish his career as FS, but he's got another couple good years at CB IMO. Either way retaining him for a reasonable contract would be ideal. I like Hall, always have.
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:54 PM   #123
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Re: Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?

Have to either keep them both or get a player and high pick for Orakpo and draft a pass rush specialist with the pick a la Aldon Smith in his rookie year.

I am was also interested to see how well Orakpo was getting the olb position in a 3-4 this year. He seemed to be much better in the first couple of games, but it was really only 5 quarters of football. We talk about Jackson improving, and I completely agree. The more experience he gets as a player he gets better. The same could be said for what might have been in Orakpo's season.

I keep hearing that it takes an average player about 3-4 years of study, experience, and creating nfl instintics to become a good to great player.

I was expecting to see an exceptional player in Orakpo this year, and just for good measure I see Kerrigan having a better year next year then this.

So what is the point? I would hate to see a guy like Jackson and go somewhere else and tear it up. A la Chris Clemons, Antonio Pierce, and Ryan Clark

We are a team in need of secondary help with no first round pick, but an asset that may be able to be replace with two needs.

Would a good secondary player ( CB or S ) and a 2nd round pick make you listen to an offer for Rak?
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Jackson's probably played himself to a better contract than Lorenzo but neither should be getting a starter's deal. Lorenzo is a Lego you put in 6 different places and you know he'll be solid. Jackson seems to be a good guy with solid football smarts and a dash of football-player athleticism thrown in but he isn't an every down force. He's a fantastic depth player who can start for you in a pinch. Good teams develop players like that, lose them when they perform, replace them with someone similarly skilled and develop that new person.
This is exactly what good teams do. They develop talent late in the draft to get seasons such as Rob Jackson's 2012 season and then let other teams overpay them.
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Old 01-04-2013, 11:42 PM   #125
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This is exactly what good teams do. They develop talent late in the draft to get seasons such as Rob Jackson's 2012 season and then let other teams overpay them.
We have certainly been the recipient of the overpaid portion of this scenario in years gone bye.........
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Old 01-05-2013, 01:35 AM   #126
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No who wants depth? Are u kidding me with this question? Giants were like three deep at d- end when they won two superbowls. Of course there is!
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Old 01-05-2013, 06:47 AM   #127
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Re: Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?

One thing that I think hasn't been considered is what Rob Jackson wants to do. He certainly knows it's a contract year, and after riding the bench for so long, he might want the opportunity to be a starter elsewhere. If that's the case I expect the Redskins to let him test the market. If someone will let him be a starter, good luck to him. If not, maybe they'd give him a new deal to keep him for depth. I certainly wouldn't mind having him back next year, but there's a good chance we should start planning Plan B scenarios in case he doesn't come back (aka replace him in the draft).
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Re: Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?

Plenty of room for both!

Fletch is on his way out we could use all the help at LB we can get or keep.
OLB or MLB doesnt matter. We need him.

Fletch has maybe next year left tops, maybe two but i doubt that.
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Funny, every year we all think Fletch has ONE more year left and comes back and puts up Pro Bowl numbers.
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Re: Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?

there is room for them both .. that's what depth is all about .. Orakpo is coming back from a few seasons of injuries .. maybe he's a guy who doesn't play every down or whatever .. Jackson/Orakpo combo sounds nice and Kerrigan just keeps getting hungrier the closer we get to playoffs .. the whole team does .. even watching B Mitch on comcast, i swear to god he's ready to knock someones head off for the past 5 weeks. I love him as sportscaster.
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To be clear, I'm not on some let's trash Orakpo trip. Not at all.
I'm not either but I understand what you're saying. Orakpo is a good pass rusher, and his bull rush is effective, but I feel that's his only move, and if the tackle he's going up against is good against it then he's pretty limited. It's better than nothing but I feel the elite rushers have a wide array of moves they can use to get past the tackle, i.e. the bullrush, the rip, the club, spin move, etc.
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Funny, every year we all think Fletch has ONE more year left and comes back and puts up Pro Bowl numbers.
Dude i wish Fletch was a machine but as far as keeping Rob Jax its a good case, people said the same thing about Ray Lewis then boom its just over.
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Re: Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?

We keep both Rob J. and Brian Orakpo next season. We sign Rob to a 3 year deal and Rak is still under contract. Rak has to prove he can stay healthy a full season. Rak has to be looking at the way Rob J. has played and needs to step us his game for next season. We need good back ups at the OLB positions. The Redskins will keep Jackson he has shown us his value to the team.
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Re: Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?

I know it's been said before but Jackson and Rak are such different types of players it's hard to compare. I do think Rak is the better every down player between the two and is better at sealing the corner and stopping the run. He also gets held a lot more and as the defense improves he'll get more of those calls. The two do such different things. IMO, a defense with both is much better and if Haslett comes back he should come up with good ways to use both.
As for affording both, unless the year finishes with a SB victory and Jackson gets a couple picks while winning the SB MVP causing the Raiders to throw $6 million a season at him, my guess is he'll re-sign before FA starts.
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