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Old 02-19-2013, 04:08 PM   #136
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Re: Good/Bad News for a Change - 2013 18MM cap penalty probably (not) going away

the players union should get behind it to remove as much as possible. Shit they know we gonna spend that money
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:45 PM   #137
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the players union should get behind it to remove as much as possible. Shit they know we gonna spend that money
The NFLPA doesnt really care much tbh. Since the cap went down a decent amount due to the CBA, one thing the NFLPA did get right is in the first two years of the current CBA, the NFL reimburses the players any money spent under a salary floor. It is not an individual team floor that we normally see but a floor league wide. I could be wrong, but I believe that number is in the high 90% in terms of percentage of the salary cap that the owners are responsible for reimbursing to the NFLPA if they spend lower than that.

Basically the players get paid regardless of whether the owners go real cheap when there is no individual team cap floor (which I think starts in season 3 of the current CBA).

Editing to add: Now that I think about it, they pulled extra money from when the future TV contracts go into effect to make up for the lost cap space due to the CBA. I doubt the NFL is going to agree to extend that clause about total money to the money pulled forward. With the extra cap space created by that, that may make that clause somewhat obsolete due to enough being already paid to go over that clause amount. So any extra... 5 or 10 mil or whatever... spent by the skins will be over and above that clause. Meaning it adds to what the players make this year. Then the NFLPA would be on board im sure.

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Old 02-19-2013, 04:57 PM   #138
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The NFLPA doesnt really care much tbh. Since the cap went down a decent amount due to the CBA, one thing the NFLPA did get right is in the first two years of the current CBA, the NFL reimburses the players any money spent under a salary floor. It is not an individual team floor that we normally see but a floor league wide. I could be wrong, but I believe that number is in the high 90% in terms of percentage of the salary cap that the owners are responsible for reimbursing to the NFLPA if they spend lower than that.

Basically the players get paid regardless of whether the owners go real cheap when there is no individual team cap floor (which I think starts in season 3 of the current CBA).
I think that Chico's point - and I agree with it - is if the money is in Snyder's hands, we will spend 100% of our cap, not just 90%.
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:58 PM   #139
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PFT had an interesting article the other week where Florio proposed a system where teams could trade cap space, just like they can trade draft picks and players. I think that would be a neat idea - not sure how it would work though.
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I think that Chico's point - and I agree with it - is if the money is in Snyder's hands, we will spend 100% of our cap, not just 90%.
First, check out my edit.

To that point, it doesnt matter. If other teams do spend 90% and we spend 100%, the league would have still reimbursed the union the difference as its a league wide floor. Meaning overall, the players still make the same money because that money would have been paid anyways at the end of the year.

If the skins get 5 mil back but the league is 50 mil below that number, they only reimburse 45 mil to the players. If they give nothing back to the skins, the league reimburses the players 50 mil. Either way, the players piece of the pie never got bigger. It remained the exact same. The only way the NFLPA gets on board is if the extra cap space goes above that clause amount, because then it does add to the players piece of the pie.

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Saw this on another site. Would be nice if true.
So when is the owners meeting?
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@HTTR24_7: @Mr_Reynolds81 I was just joking with @TKextremeskins .Everyone wants percentages for everything. I have no Idea if they will get cap relief
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the players union should get behind it to remove as much as possible. Shit they know we gonna spend that money
If I understand it correctly ,the cap went to the other teams in the NFL so wouldn't they spend it as well and why would they give something back?
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If I understand it correctly ,the cap went to the other teams in the NFL so wouldn't they spend it as well and why would they give something back?
Yes but plenty of teams did not spend the money.
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If I understand it correctly ,the cap went to the other teams in the NFL so wouldn't they spend it as well and why would they give something back?
Two words: Mike Brown.

Some owners don't spend. Giving them more cap space does not mean more money in the pockets of players.
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I'm just going to go into the meetings with a negative attitude, "prepare for the worst hope for the best" If we don't get any money back= more focus on the draft (the right way to build a team). If we do get the money back= great! we can get a better Free Agent and more on the draft
I agree with this, couldnt have put it better.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:31 PM   #147
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HTTR24_7 gives this some validity. Def has my attention now.

No, he doesn't he was joking.



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@HTTR24_7: @Mr_Reynolds81 I was just joking with @TKextremeskins .Everyone wants percentages for everything. I have no Idea if they will get cap relief

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@Rich_TandlerCSN @TKextremeskins All jokes aside that cap ship has probably sailed. Money back would be great though.



It's not going to happen people. Move on.
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So when is the owners meeting?
I thought it was something like 3 days after FA starts.
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Old 02-20-2013, 07:11 AM   #149
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Re: Good/Bad News for a Change - 2013 18MM cap penalty probably (not) going away

Yeah, likely not going to happen. I have moved on, mostly, but still don't understand why Chicago wasn't penalized for front loading their gigantic Julius Peppers contract. The dude was paid $20million in 2010 including an accelerated signing bonus that counted 33% against the 2010 season.

By my calculation, by the normal way teams structure contracts, Peppers' 2010 cap hit would be $7 million (SB/6 + Vet minimum)... yet they skate?
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No, he doesn't he was joking.






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@Rich_TandlerCSN @TKextremeskins All jokes aside that cap ship has probably sailed. Money back would be great though.



It's not going to happen people. Move on.
Oh I shoulda known, the good ole percentage joke. Information good, need to step up on his joke game.
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