Good/Bad News for a Change - 2013 18MM cap penalty probably (not) going away

BigHairedAristocrat · 02-25-2013, 05:17 PM

From the PFT Article:

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They could bebluffing about going to court in order to get, for example, half of their cap money back (i.e., the $18 million that would apply to this year’s cap). But the NFL could choose to call their bluff and go to court.

Snyder took impoverished old ladies to court for not paying their season ticket fees and a newspaper to court for disparaging his wife. Why on earth would the NFL think he wouldnt sue their asses off for illegally colluding to screw him over? If they think he's bluffing, theyre in for a shock.

The league screwed us over on the eve of free agency last year. I love the idea of holding the whole league hostage on the eve of free agency this year.

Giantone · 02-25-2013, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

From the PFT Article:

Snyder took impoverished old ladies to court for not paying their season ticket fees and a newspaper to court for disparaging his wife. Why on earth would the NFL think he wouldnt sue their asses off for illegally colluding to screw him over? If they think he's bluffing, theyre in for a shock.

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....and he lost in both cases.The old lady fought back and won and the paper fought back and everything was drop.

SBXVII · 02-25-2013, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinsInNYC

Amazing what a slow day at work can do...

Have to give the Skins FO (under Bruce Allen) credit for working the media to their advantage. All we can do is have faith in their PR strategy at this point. Can't see what the legal argument is that the NFLPA hasn't already made to Judge Doty (and lost). "Irreparable harm" is not a cause of action, it is one of the requirements for a TRO. Also need likelihood of success on the merits of whatever it is they are alleging as their cause of action.

For one, I'm excited. I bet the other owners are pissed that we might hold Free Agency up by filing. lol.

The NFLPA has lost their claim cause they supposedly signed a contract that they would not file any claim for collusion. The Redskins and Cowboys never signed an agreement and got punished for doing nothing. So if anyone has a claim its the two teams for being punished for not breaking the law (colluding) and god knows the NFL does not want to lose their freedom to do what they want vs being overseen by the feds.

SBXVII · 02-25-2013, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Remember that the NFLPA case is entirely separate from anything that the Redskins might argue in court. It would be huge if the Skins were to go forward with this, and I think absolutely crazy. But from a NFL perspective, holding up Free Agency, or the start of the league year, or any other aspect, would certainly cause owners to think twice about the fine in it's entirety.

I agree with you and think this option is awesome. Lets air the dirty laundry ... collusion. lol.

CrustyRedskin · 02-25-2013, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

From the PFT Article:

Snyder took impoverished old ladies to court for not paying their season ticket fees and a newspaper to court for disparaging his wife. Why on earth would the NFL think he wouldnt sue their asses off for illegally colluding to screw him over? If they think he's bluffing, theyre in for a shock.

The league screwed us over on the eve of free agency last year. I love the idea of holding the whole league hostage on the eve of free agency this year.

fn right on man right on.

Giantone · 02-25-2013, 05:57 PM

Question, so would this just be the Skins or would the Cowboys join the Skins?

NYCskinfan82 · 02-25-2013, 06:09 PM

Redskins Future Cap Situation - Hogs Haven

Something to think about.

CRedskinsRule · 02-25-2013, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

Question, so would this just be the Skins or would the Cowboys join the Skins?

Unless it had a chance to succeed, I don't think Jerry would join in because he wants to bring the Superbowl to his stadium. Danny knows he won't get a Superbowl anytime soon.

CrazyCanuck · 02-25-2013, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

Redskins Future Cap Situation - Hogs Haven

Something to think about.

That link discusses 2014.

He does a very thorough analysis of the 2013 cap situation here:
http://fanspeak.com/washingtonredski...-cap-for-2013/

SFREDSKIN · 02-25-2013, 06:41 PM

Httr 24/7 mentions that everyone blames Mara, when it was Jeffrey Lurie of the Fecal matters that started this mess.

SFREDSKIN · 02-25-2013, 06:58 PM

While we are bashing the Mara's, why not:

http://www.lohud.com/article/20130225/NEWS02/302240017

SBXVII · 02-25-2013, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Httr 24/7 mentions that everyone blames Mara, when it was Jeffrey Lurie of the Fecal matters that started this mess.

It doesn't matter who started it. The majority of the league agreed to it. Goodell signed off on it. Mara dished it out.... then ran his mouth about how we got lucky and should have been docked worse. Shaft them all. Hold up Free Agency. Scare the crap out of the league that they could possibly lose their freedom and might fall under federal regulations and possibly be forced to pay both teams as well as the NFLPA a monitary sum to include damages.

Right now yeah the league would win, why? cause of unwritten agreements, rights signed away, and autonomy. Let it get to the right court where none of these apply and see how the league colluded against the players (illegal), bribed the NFLPA to agree to the punishements or lose money (illegal), punished both teams with out taking the topic to the owners meeting first and allowing the two teams to explain why they did what they did and why they should not be punished.

HailGreen28 · 02-25-2013, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinsInNYC

WP updated their article from earlier with this:

"Update: 3:37: Redskins officials have told people in the league that they are considering going to court to seek an injunction that would hold up the start of free agency or threatening that move in a bid to bolster their negotiating leverage with the league. Those conversations were confirmed by two people with knowledge of them.
Both said that the Redskins have compelling arguments they could make in an attempt to convince a judge that they would suffer irreparable harm if they are not granted an injunction. But others familiar with the case have said they don’t believe the Redskins have legal arguments that weren’t already considered, and rejected, by an arbitrator."

Redskins put contract talks on hold as they work to recoup salary cap space–Updated

Love that they're going to the mat on this. They won't win in court though. Leverage is all they can hope for.

It all sounds like fanciful thinking to me. OTOH, I wish the Redskins had gotten an injunction the very next day after Mara and Goodell started this crap: The cap penalty on the literal eve of free agency last year.

Sure it would have made practically all the other owners mad at us. (And if there's any justice, anger at Mara too when he starts flapping his pale gums.) But seeing how the group went along with screwing us anyways, in hindsight there was no reason for us to play nice on this. Where we and the cowboys got punished for not engaging in collusion against the players.

SBXVII · 02-25-2013, 08:30 PM

Same Stories Different Drama

Report: Redskins considering challenging NFL over cap penalties | National Football Post

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According to a report in the Washington Post by Mark Maske and Mike Jones, the Redskins could ask a judge for an injunction because they would be irreparably damaged by the start of the new league year.

Coff · 02-25-2013, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

While we are bashing the Mara's, why not:

http://www.lohud.com/article/20130225/NEWS02/302240017

That's a funny story; seems like a really nice family. I did a lot of partying on Fairfield Beach Road where this incident occurred; lots of good times, lots of pissed off locals, never saw anyone get his skull cracked open with a bottle though.

02-25-2013, 05:57 PM	#186
Giantone Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 4,960	Re: Good/Bad News for a Change - 2013 18MM cap penalty probably (not) going away Question, so would this just be the Skins or would the Cowboys join the Skins? __________________ ....DISCLAIMER: All of my posts/threads are my expressed typed opinion and the reader is not to assume these comments are absolute fact, law, or truth unless otherwise stated in said post/thread.

02-25-2013, 06:09 PM	#187
NYCskinfan82 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Queens, NYC Age: 44 Posts: 3,387	Re: Good/Bad News for a Change - 2013 18MM cap penalty probably (not) going away Redskins Future Cap Situation - Hogs Haven Something to think about.

02-25-2013, 06:41 PM	#190
SFREDSKIN Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 7,358	Re: Good/Bad News for a Change - 2013 18MM cap penalty probably (not) going away Httr 24/7 mentions that everyone blames Mara, when it was Jeffrey Lurie of the Fecal matters that started this mess. __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

02-25-2013, 06:58 PM	#191
SFREDSKIN Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 7,358	Re: Good/Bad News for a Change - 2013 18MM cap penalty probably (not) going away While we are bashing the Mara's, why not: http://www.lohud.com/article/20130225/NEWS02/302240017 __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

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