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Old 02-25-2013, 07:25 PM   #196
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That link discusses 2014.

He does a very thorough analysis of the 2013 cap situation here:
http://fanspeak.com/washingtonredski...-cap-for-2013/
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Old 02-25-2013, 07:41 PM   #197
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Httr 24/7 mentions that everyone blames Mara, when it was Jeffrey Lurie of the Fecal matters that started this mess.
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Old 02-25-2013, 07:58 PM   #198
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While we are bashing the Mara's, why not:

http://www.lohud.com/article/20130225/NEWS02/302240017
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Old 02-25-2013, 08:02 PM   #199
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Httr 24/7 mentions that everyone blames Mara, when it was Jeffrey Lurie of the Fecal matters that started this mess.
It doesn't matter who started it. The majority of the league agreed to it. Goodell signed off on it. Mara dished it out.... then ran his mouth about how we got lucky and should have been docked worse. Shaft them all. Hold up Free Agency. Scare the crap out of the league that they could possibly lose their freedom and might fall under federal regulations and possibly be forced to pay both teams as well as the NFLPA a monitary sum to include damages.

Right now yeah the league would win, why? cause of unwritten agreements, rights signed away, and autonomy. Let it get to the right court where none of these apply and see how the league colluded against the players (illegal), bribed the NFLPA to agree to the punishements or lose money (illegal), punished both teams with out taking the topic to the owners meeting first and allowing the two teams to explain why they did what they did and why they should not be punished.
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WP updated their article from earlier with this:

"Update: 3:37: Redskins officials have told people in the league that they are considering going to court to seek an injunction that would hold up the start of free agency or threatening that move in a bid to bolster their negotiating leverage with the league. Those conversations were confirmed by two people with knowledge of them.
Both said that the Redskins have compelling arguments they could make in an attempt to convince a judge that they would suffer irreparable harm if they are not granted an injunction. But others familiar with the case have said they don’t believe the Redskins have legal arguments that weren’t already considered, and rejected, by an arbitrator."

Redskins put contract talks on hold as they work to recoup salary cap space–Updated

Love that they're going to the mat on this. They won't win in court though. Leverage is all they can hope for.
It all sounds like fanciful thinking to me. OTOH, I wish the Redskins had gotten an injunction the very next day after Mara and Goodell started this crap: The cap penalty on the literal eve of free agency last year.

Sure it would have made practically all the other owners mad at us. (And if there's any justice, anger at Mara too when he starts flapping his pale gums.) But seeing how the group went along with screwing us anyways, in hindsight there was no reason for us to play nice on this. Where we and the cowboys got punished for not engaging in collusion against the players.

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Report: Redskins considering challenging NFL over cap penalties | National Football Post

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According to a report in the Washington Post by Mark Maske and Mike Jones, the Redskins could ask a judge for an injunction because they would be irreparably damaged by the start of the new league year.
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While we are bashing the Mara's, why not:

http://www.lohud.com/article/20130225/NEWS02/302240017
That's a funny story; seems like a really nice family. I did a lot of partying on Fairfield Beach Road where this incident occurred; lots of good times, lots of pissed off locals, never saw anyone get his skull cracked open with a bottle though.
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Goodell Talking Redskins Fine - YouTube

This is starting to snow ball around the Internet.
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It all sounds like fanciful thinking to me. OTOH, I wish the Redskins had gotten an injunction the very next day after Mara and Goodell started this crap: The cap penalty on the literal eve of free agency last year.

Sure it would have made practically all the other owners mad at us. (And if there's any justice, anger at Mara too when he starts flapping his pale gums.) But seeing how the group went along with screwing us anyways, in hindsight there was no reason for us to play nice on this. Where we and the cowboys got punished for not engaging in collusion against the players.
The way I look at it Goodell and Mara started the BS, and decided to try and play tough. Through all of this the Redskins have tried to play nice, filed a grievance, waited while the NFLPA file their complaint, waited while the NFLPA appealed the case, and no give on the NFL's side.

It's definitely time to go nuclear, file whatever they need to file to screw over Free Agency, then file whatever they need to file that keeps it out of the NFL's friendly court system and puts in possibly in the bulls eye of the Department of Labor or the Department of Justice. Maybe then if all the owners have to worry about their sacred business being watched by big government maybe then they will cave and give the penalty back in order to keep their business out of big governments reach.
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I'd be interested to know what their legal theory is.

Yes, they would be irreparably harmed. As best as I can tell, it would have to be a breach of contract against the other owners or a tortuous interference with contract.
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Free Agency should get REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL fun.
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Now Goodell is either flat out lying or the NFLPA's life is going to get real bad. If they in fact agree to keep salaries lower, as RG asserts, then Jesus that is some serious crap. I mean that has to be some kind of legal breach of contract correct? The fact that RG is starting to mount some kid of counter attack makes me think they're starting to realize Danny isn't inclined to just are ths bs. My vote is that RG is a lying sack of crap and that the conspiracy in this case leads me to thinking that the nuclear option doesnt have quite the down side that I had originally thought.
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*rolls eyes*


I'll believe it when I see it. Danny is blowing smoke. I think it's a shame he went full out suing some shitty newspaper for writing a negative article about him, yet doesn't do jack shit when real action is needed. He doesn't have the balls to open pandoras box. Talking and acting tough to beat reporters is one thing, it's entirely another matter when it's people with equal or higher clout than him.
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I'll believe it when I see it. Danny is blowing smoke. I think it's a shame he went full out suing some shitty newspaper for writing a negative article about him, yet doesn't do jack shit when real action is needed. He doesn't have the balls to open pandoras box. Talking and acting tough to beat reporters is one thing, it's entirely another matter when it's people with equal or higher clout than him.
Yeah I'll believe it when I see it also but he can file the paperwork, put a hold on Free Agency, and still decide if he wants to proceed or drop everything. and all he would have done is hold up Free Agency.

or he could file a law suit and the owners can call his bluff and see if he continues with the suit. The big issue the owners don't want is for the Department of Labor or Department of Justice to get involved or to take away the owners freedoms they now have. That alone should be scaring the other owners and making them think twice.
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