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Old 02-25-2013, 10:55 PM   #196
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Old 02-25-2013, 11:26 PM   #197
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It all sounds like fanciful thinking to me. OTOH, I wish the Redskins had gotten an injunction the very next day after Mara and Goodell started this crap: The cap penalty on the literal eve of free agency last year.

Sure it would have made practically all the other owners mad at us. (And if there's any justice, anger at Mara too when he starts flapping his pale gums.) But seeing how the group went along with screwing us anyways, in hindsight there was no reason for us to play nice on this. Where we and the cowboys got punished for not engaging in collusion against the players.
The way I look at it Goodell and Mara started the BS, and decided to try and play tough. Through all of this the Redskins have tried to play nice, filed a grievance, waited while the NFLPA file their complaint, waited while the NFLPA appealed the case, and no give on the NFL's side.

It's definitely time to go nuclear, file whatever they need to file to screw over Free Agency, then file whatever they need to file that keeps it out of the NFL's friendly court system and puts in possibly in the bulls eye of the Department of Labor or the Department of Justice. Maybe then if all the owners have to worry about their sacred business being watched by big government maybe then they will cave and give the penalty back in order to keep their business out of big governments reach.
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Old 02-25-2013, 11:30 PM   #198
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I'd be interested to know what their legal theory is.

Yes, they would be irreparably harmed. As best as I can tell, it would have to be a breach of contract against the other owners or a tortuous interference with contract.
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Free Agency should get REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL fun.
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Now Goodell is either flat out lying or the NFLPA's life is going to get real bad. If they in fact agree to keep salaries lower, as RG asserts, then Jesus that is some serious crap. I mean that has to be some kind of legal breach of contract correct? The fact that RG is starting to mount some kid of counter attack makes me think they're starting to realize Danny isn't inclined to just are ths bs. My vote is that RG is a lying sack of crap and that the conspiracy in this case leads me to thinking that the nuclear option doesnt have quite the down side that I had originally thought.
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Old 02-26-2013, 12:06 AM   #201
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*rolls eyes*


I'll believe it when I see it. Danny is blowing smoke. I think it's a shame he went full out suing some shitty newspaper for writing a negative article about him, yet doesn't do jack shit when real action is needed. He doesn't have the balls to open pandoras box. Talking and acting tough to beat reporters is one thing, it's entirely another matter when it's people with equal or higher clout than him.
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I'll believe it when I see it. Danny is blowing smoke. I think it's a shame he went full out suing some shitty newspaper for writing a negative article about him, yet doesn't do jack shit when real action is needed. He doesn't have the balls to open pandoras box. Talking and acting tough to beat reporters is one thing, it's entirely another matter when it's people with equal or higher clout than him.
Yeah I'll believe it when I see it also but he can file the paperwork, put a hold on Free Agency, and still decide if he wants to proceed or drop everything. and all he would have done is hold up Free Agency.

or he could file a law suit and the owners can call his bluff and see if he continues with the suit. The big issue the owners don't want is for the Department of Labor or Department of Justice to get involved or to take away the owners freedoms they now have. That alone should be scaring the other owners and making them think twice.
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Its just as detrimental to Snyder as it is to the other owners that the books and messages from that year stay hidden. If you decide to "stick it to the man", are you going to do that by putting dynamite in your own house and blowing it up?

I dont fault him for bluffing, but I dont expect the NFL to do anything other than call that bluff. And I expect Danny to get the bomb squad in there to clear the dynamite before it goes off.

As much as people keep saying that hes not afraid to sue, hes also not afraid of making money. I think the making money wins out in the end.
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Its just as detrimental to Snyder as it is to the other owners that the books and messages from that year stay hidden. If you decide to "stick it to the man", are you going to do that by putting dynamite in your own house and blowing it up?

I dont fault him for bluffing, but I dont expect the NFL to do anything other than call that bluff. And I expect Danny to get the bomb squad in there to clear the dynamite before it goes off.

As much as people keep saying that hes not afraid to sue, hes also not afraid of making money. I think the making money wins out in the end.
It's interesting that this comes out after the combine. Can you imagine how much lobbying and politicking the Redskins were doing. I would guess that they were planting seeds of how a legal strategy would play out as well. Even the threat of a lawsuit is a pretty big stick in a fraternity of 32 powerful men and women. I wonder if they got a sense at the combine that this strategy would work, or if it's pure throw everything at the wall and see what sticks time.
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Old 02-26-2013, 08:15 AM   #205
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Goodell Talking Redskins Fine - YouTube

This is starting to snow ball around the Internet.
You beat me to it. @HTTR24-7 has been blowing his twitter up with this link and convo. My feeling is its too little too late with Judge Doty turning down our appeal twice. But if Goodell is saying that the league and teams agreed to "punish teams" that took advantage of the uncapped year through certain contract avenues that created an advantage for them, that seems like a problem to me. If you are going to say that they it can't be an uncapped year. And regardless if the teams were made aware of this ahead of time, if they league signed off on the contract/renegotiation, how can they go back and penalize the team?
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ES member (huly) asking Goodell about capgate. Listen to his explanation. He said the owners AND the NFLPA were told about this "competitive balance". Riiiiiight. SO you are going to tell the NFLPA prior to the lockout that you are indeed going to collude even though there is no salary cap.
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ES member (huly) asking Goodell about capgate. Listen to his explanation. He said the owners AND the NFLPA were told about this "competitive balance". Riiiiiight. SO you are going to tell the NFLPA prior to the lockout that you are indeed going to collude even though there is no salary cap.
Right...there is about zero chance this is true...I mean I cannot conceive of this current NFLPA agreeing to any such thing. Why the hell would they? Makes less than zero sense.
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Right...there is about zero chance this is true...I mean I cannot conceive of this current NFLPA agreeing to any such thing. Why the hell would they? Makes less than zero sense.
The hope is that this video, coupled with the threat of litigation, can continue to create buzz/noise on this issue for another day or two. I think Graziano RT'd someone who sent him this link last night. Will be interesting to see if other outlets pick this up - my hope is that they do.
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Right...there is about zero chance this is true...I mean I cannot conceive of this current NFLPA agreeing to any such thing. Why the hell would they? Makes less than zero sense.
So ... the NFLPA knew of the collusive agreement to keep "competitive balance". Yet, during the bitter lockout in which the NFLPA argued collusion about several specific factors this was never mentioned. Further, once (and only once) it became public, the NFLPA filed a lawsuit alleging that this agreement about "competitive balance" was unknown to them and represented a breach of the prior CBA. Finally, the NFL's response was not "We told them, they knew about it so they shouldn't be upset"; it was "Hey too bad so sad, you waived all your claims - even the one you didn't know you had."

Wow. Revisionist history is one thing. This is "1984" un-person stuff.
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Its just as detrimental to Snyder as it is to the other owners that the books and messages from that year stay hidden. If you decide to "stick it to the man", are you going to do that by putting dynamite in your own house and blowing it up?

I dont fault him for bluffing, but I dont expect the NFL to do anything other than call that bluff. And I expect Danny to get the bomb squad in there to clear the dynamite before it goes off.

As much as people keep saying that hes not afraid to sue, hes also not afraid of making money. I think the making money wins out in the end.
Lets look at worst case scenarios....

1- All the owners end up hating Snyder. Not voting for his ideas later.
2- Department of Labor or Justice get involved.
3- The NFL not being exempt from labor laws.

I honestly can't fathom anything else, but I'm sure the owners are happy to be exempt from some of the labor laws and being able to do business as they please. I figure the worst that can happen is the NFL would lose that freedom and would have to do business like all other businesses and unions. That alone would go a long way in keeping both sides more honest.

So for me to weight if its worth it to go nuclear and possibly get our CAP space back.... I'd have to say yes it's worth it. Personally I think there needs to be someone keeping an eye on both sides that has no interest, someone who is not swayed to lean towards the owners in judgement (Dotty), and someone to make sure a fair punishment is delt as well as punishing everyone involved. In this case, yeah maybe the Skins do deserve a punishment although I don't agree with it, but certainly the other owners deserve to be punished for unfair practices against the NFLPA.
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