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Old 03-13-2013, 09:30 PM   #361
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Re: Good/Bad News for a Change - 2013 18MM cap penalty probably (not) going away

Personally I like the Garcon argument. Too much money and he could be replaced. HOWEVER, this isn't the summer to make any noise. Let's remain slow and methodical and try and salvage the season despite having no money. Worst case scenario we go into next summer with a 24/25 year old pro bowl quarterback and 30+ million in cap space.

EDIT: Actually it isn't worst case scenario, it's guaranteed.
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Old 03-13-2013, 10:11 PM   #362
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Personally I like the Garcon argument. Too much money and he could be replaced. HOWEVER, this isn't the summer to make any noise. Let's remain slow and methodical and try and salvage the season despite having no money. Worst case scenario we go into next summer with a 24/25 year old pro bowl quarterback and 30+ million in cap space.

EDIT: Actually it isn't worst case scenario, it's guaranteed.
An automatic $18 mil in cap space in 2014, and hopefully a HEALTHY pro bowl QB. I hope Mike Shanahan gets an extension too, based on what he's done in building this team so far.
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Old 03-13-2013, 10:32 PM   #363
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Need to be careful about saying an automatic 18 mil in cap space next year. We have already pushed some money back to next year and taken up some of that, but yes we should definitely be in better shape.
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Need to be careful about saying an automatic 18 mil in cap space next year. We have already pushed some money back to next year and taken up some of that, but yes we should definitely be in better shape.
Ah, good point, thanks.
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Old 03-14-2013, 12:14 AM   #365
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Yes I can... Tom Brady has never been an NFL free agent... Ever... He is not considered a FA signing by the Pats, he is considered a Pats draft pick. I very seriously doubt that RG3 will ever hit FA either. The only reason Peyton Manning hit it was because Peyton Manning #2 was available to be drafted by the team that owned the rights to Peyton Manning #1. Excuse the pun, but Indy had a nice bit of Luck with how that fell into place.

I have also told you how much I value FA. I value it as a supplemental thing to help build the team. Nothing more than that. I personally do not believe that not being able to sign everyone we want in FA to be a curse.

Honestly, if Vinny were still in charge, I would drive to NY and thank Mara personally for forcing us to concentrate on the draft.

As you have said yourself, SB teams have a handful of free agents. Handful usually means a few but not many. So that sounds right to me. Built through the draft primarily and supplemented with FA.
Didn't read but your first statement. And let say again - Please. Tell that to the damn Ravens.
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Personally I like the Garcon argument. Too much money and he could be replaced. HOWEVER, this isn't the summer to make any noise. Let's remain slow and methodical and try and salvage the season despite having no money. Worst case scenario we go into next summer with a 24/25 year old pro bowl quarterback and 30+ million in cap space.

EDIT: Actually it isn't worst case scenario, it's guaranteed.
Garçon can be replaced? With who? I think this shows your football IQ. Who was a big part of the season ending redskins streak? Without him the Redskins probably lose at least one or two of those games and don't make it to the playoffs.

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I just can't believe these 2 recent statements:
1) Re-signing free agents aren't considered a part of free agency.
2) Garçon can be replaced.

which I can add to someone's statement earlier in the week: he didn't say -will. He said- will be able to. I can't even begin to address how wrong these statements are. I just stare at them and just shake my head for like 5 minutes.
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Didn't read but your first statement. And let say again - Please. Tell that to the damn Ravens.
Tell the damn Ravens what? That they won the SB with Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, Joe Flacco, Torrey Smith, Hiloti Ngata, ect. Ozzie Newsome is one of the GM's who looks to draft first and add free agents second. That statement does not mean that Ozzie would never sign a free agent. No one has ever said signing zero free agents is the best way to build a team. How Ozzie does it is EXACTLY how I think it should be done. Build with the draft and supplement with FA.

Since the Super Bowl is such a huge argument for you. In the last 13 Super Bowls, 12 of the MVP's have been drafted by their respective team. The only one not to was Drew Brees.
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Tell the damn Ravens what? That they won the SB with Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, Joe Flacco, Torrey Smith, Hiloti Ngata, ect. Ozzie Newsome is one of the GM's who looks to draft first and add free agents second. That statement does not mean that Ozzie would never sign a free agent. No one has ever said signing zero free agents is the best way to build a team. How Ozzie does it is EXACTLY how I think it should be done. Build with the draft and supplement with FA.

Since the Super Bowl is such a huge argument for you. In the last 13 Super Bowls, 12 of the MVP's have been drafted by their respective team. The only one not to was Drew Brees.
That the idea of re-signing your own free agents is not a part of free agency. And like I said before- I only read your first statement. All that other stuff is mumbo jumbo.
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You said you don't count re-signing your own free agents as part of free agency. Tell that to the Ravens who are losing big players because they didn't re-sign theirs. But yeah that doesn't count right?
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I just can't believe these 2 recent statements:
1) Re-signing free agents aren't considered a part of free agency.
2) Garçon can be replaced.

which I can add to someone's statement earlier in the week: he didn't say -will. He said- will be able to. I can't even begin to address how wrong these statements are. I just stare at them and just shake my head for like 5 minutes.
You honestly dont understand the difference between "I ~will~ go to Hawaii on vacation" or "I ~will be able to~ go to Hawaii on vacation"?

You are shaking your head for 5 minutes because you dont seem to understand basic English.

Also tell me when Tom Brady was ever a Free Agent. For that to happen, he actually has to hit Free Agency. The Pats have never let anyone bid on Brady's services because they never let him hit Free Agency. If he was never a Free Agent, then he was never a Free Agent. If he was never a Free Agent, then he has never signed a Free Agent contract. Seems pretty basic to me.

One of the problems is that you consider people on their first contract ONLY to be draft picks. Ask anyone if Tom Brady was a draft pick by the Pats or a Free Agent signing by the Pats. Im pretty sure the general consensus will be that he falls in the drafted camp and not the Free Agent signing camp.
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You said you don't count re-signing your own free agents as part of free agency. Tell that to the Ravens who are losing big players because they didn't re-sign theirs. But yeah that doesn't count right?
Losing players due to the cap has nothing to do with what we have been talking about the whole time. No team can sign everyone.
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And I said the draft is the most important part of obtaining talent. Why in the heck do you keep ignoring that? Is it like ignoring the re-signing of your own free agents being part of free agency? It's just convenient to your argument isn't it?
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Losing players due to the cap has nothing to do with what we have been talking about the whole time. No team can sign everyone.
But it's a part of free agency though- isn't it?
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And I said the draft is the most important part of obtaining talent. Why in the heck do you keep ignoring that? Is it like ignoring the re-signing of your own free agents being part of free agency? It's just convenient to your argument isn't it?
And I have explained my position on Free Agency. Never once have I said to never sign a player in Free Agency and only draft players. I have said the whole time to build the main part of the team in the draft and then use Free Agency to fill out the team.
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