Good/Bad News for a Change - 2013 18MM cap penalty probably (not) going away

artmonkforhallofamein07 · 03-18-2013, 08:48 PM

Yep SBX you are completely right and I for one agree.

SBXVII · 03-18-2013, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by los panda

valid

"Three years ago NFL owners agreed that teams would not be allowed to exploit the uncapped year to gain a competitive advantage. There was not a written edict violated or a binding contract broken."

i've been looking at business all wrong, binding contracts appear to be overrated, while agreements are all the rage.

Verbal contracts are legal, but the agreement itself can't be illegal. This to me is similar to all of us agreeing to purchase drugs, two of us fans don't, and the rest of us punish those two by making them give the rest of us $$ to make up for it.

The court has been just as bad.....(overlook the illegal agreement) well there was an agreement between owners, the NFLPA waited too long to file and signed away their rights, so....yeah punishment should stand.

NYCskinfan82 · 03-18-2013, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Some of you guys are weenies.

"oh we deserved to get punished"
"we dumped cap"
"we must have done something wrong"
"there was an agreement"

A bunch of pansies! DS is an idiot for not going "nuclear" when he had leverage. I'll bet Goodell was behind the scene's "look don't hold up free agency cause we are thinking of lowering the penalty" then after FA, "F U we are not lowering anything".

What we know:

The NFL colluded (broke the law)
Two teams showed they had character by not breaking the law
The suspect owners were jealous of the two teams
Punishment was issued for not breaking the law
The whole scenario is immoral
And to simply "move past this" fans are "oh we need to move on."

I'll never move on from this blatant disregard of rules, laws, and out right immoral act of a punishment. The league approved the contracts. Period. They had a duty to deny any contracts that didn't fall within their guide lines. So why didn't they?

I don't want to hear the BS about they would have been found to have been colluding BS. The league should not be able to have it both ways and eat their cake too. You either deny the contracts and hope not to get caught or you approve the contracts and look the other way. This is completely immoral to and borderline illegal to approve the contracts to not get caught, look the other way for a year, then come out with a BS story about how the two teams should be punished. If the two teams right now handed in those contracts do you think the league would have approved them and waited a year to punish? Hell no they would deny them and tell the two teams to redo the contracts.

The Skins did nothing wrong and got punished for not breaking the law. <that my friends are what we are teaching our kids today.

Well said.

VegasSkinsFan · 03-18-2013, 09:43 PM

This is one of the few times I wish I could join a class action lawsuit against the NFL.

VTSkins1961 · 03-18-2013, 11:24 PM

Goodell and Mara
Will lead the way straight to hell
Redskins will prevail

SCRedskinsFan · 03-18-2013, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Some of you guys are weenies.

"oh we deserved to get punished"
"we dumped cap"
"we must have done something wrong"
"there was an agreement"

A bunch of pansies! DS is an idiot for not going "nuclear" when he had leverage. I'll bet Goodell was behind the scene's "look don't hold up free agency cause we are thinking of lowering the penalty" then after FA, "F U we are not lowering anything".

What we know:

The NFL colluded (broke the law)
Two teams showed they had character by not breaking the law
The suspect owners were jealous of the two teams
Punishment was issued for not breaking the law
The whole scenario is immoral
And to simply "move past this" fans are "oh we need to move on."

I'll never move on from this blatant disregard of rules, laws, and out right immoral act of a punishment. The league approved the contracts. Period. They had a duty to deny any contracts that didn't fall within their guide lines. So why didn't they?

I don't want to hear the BS about they would have been found to have been colluding BS. The league should not be able to have it both ways and eat their cake too. You either deny the contracts and hope not to get caught or you approve the contracts and look the other way. This is completely immoral to and borderline illegal to approve the contracts to not get caught, look the other way for a year, then come out with a BS story about how the two teams should be punished. If the two teams right now handed in those contracts do you think the league would have approved them and waited a year to punish? Hell no they would deny them and tell the two teams to redo the contracts.

The Skins did nothing wrong and got punished for not breaking the law. <that my friends are what we are teaching our kids today.

This is so over --- it's time to let it go. Really.

MTK · 03-19-2013, 12:13 AM

JoeRedskin · 03-19-2013, 02:41 AM

I come back to this thread all the time ... I just don't know why. Morbid fascination I guess.

artmonkforhallofamein07 · 03-19-2013, 09:35 AM

Now, with the recent confirmation that we are in no way recouping any cash back this is a dead issue... I do to Joe, hoping for some miracle of justice to be reported saying we are getting the money back this year and an extra 18 mil next year or maybe an extra 2 mil on our salary cap for the next 18 years. F U NFL.

CrazyCanuck · 03-19-2013, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I come back to this thread all the time ... I just don't know why. Morbid fascination I guess.

Ditto. I keep hoping I'll see "closed".

CultBrennan59 · 03-19-2013, 11:10 AM

This thread has turned into haikus. Close this poetic crap.

Chico23231 · 03-19-2013, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

This thread has turned into haikus. Close this poetic crap.

Dont be a Hatter
Focus on next draft sleepers
Shanny draft genius

Lotus · 03-19-2013, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Dont be a Hatter
Focus on next draft sleepers
Shanny draft genius

Well done.

mooby · 03-19-2013, 12:01 PM

Screw Goodell/Mara
The Shanahans will fix this
'Ayebody jealous

BigHairedAristocrat · 03-19-2013, 12:32 PM

This year kinda sucks for improving our team through free agency, but we should have oodles of cap space in 2014. As it stands now, we've got about 23MM in cap room available (assuming the cap stays fairly flat). Orakpo is the only significatn player with an expiring contract. Further, we've got ALOT of players scheduled to make waaaaay more money than they are worth (Josh Morgan is a prime example, due over 10MM next year). Just looking over the cap chart, if the cap stays flat, and we make reasonable moves to cut/restructure certain players, we could easily have 40MM to play with. If Vinny were running things, that would be cause for concern and we'd have to worry about signing a bunch of old guys to ridiculous contracts. With Shanahan and Allen calling the shots, that means we can sign a number of young, quality players while offering extensions to deserving home-grown players.

03-18-2013, 08:48 PM	#436
artmonkforhallofamein07 Playmaker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Charleston , SC Posts: 4,991	Re: Good/Bad News for a Change - 2013 18MM cap penalty probably (not) going away Yep SBX you are completely right and I for one agree. __________________ Just win.

03-18-2013, 11:24 PM	#440
VTSkins1961 Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 175	Re: Good/Bad News for a Change - 2013 18MM cap penalty probably (not) going away Goodell and Mara Will lead the way straight to hell Redskins will prevail Last edited by VTSkins1961; 03-18-2013 at 11:25 PM. Reason: better ending

03-19-2013, 12:13 AM	#442
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03-19-2013, 02:41 AM	#443
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 54 Posts: 10,104	Re: Good/Bad News for a Change - 2013 18MM cap penalty probably (not) going away I come back to this thread all the time ... I just don't know why. Morbid fascination I guess. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

03-19-2013, 09:35 AM	#444
artmonkforhallofamein07 Playmaker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Charleston , SC Posts: 4,991	Re: Good/Bad News for a Change - 2013 18MM cap penalty probably (not) going away Now, with the recent confirmation that we are in no way recouping any cash back this is a dead issue... I do to Joe, hoping for some miracle of justice to be reported saying we are getting the money back this year and an extra 18 mil next year or maybe an extra 2 mil on our salary cap for the next 18 years. F U NFL. __________________ Just win.

03-18-2013, 09:43 PM	#439
VegasSkinsFan Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 551	This is one of the few times I wish I could join a class action lawsuit against the NFL.

03-19-2013, 11:10 AM	#446
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,526	Re: Good/Bad News for a Change - 2013 18MM cap penalty probably (not) going away This thread has turned into haikus. Close this poetic crap. __________________ "Anyones better than Madieu Williams"

03-19-2013, 12:01 PM	#449
mooby Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NoVa Age: 29 Posts: 13,298	Re: Good/Bad News for a Change - 2013 18MM cap penalty probably (not) going away Screw Goodell/Mara The Shanahans will fix this 'Ayebody jealous

03-19-2013, 12:32 PM	#450
BigHairedAristocrat Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 3,917	Re: Good/Bad News for a Change - 2013 18MM cap penalty probably (not) going away This year kinda sucks for improving our team through free agency, but we should have oodles of cap space in 2014. As it stands now, we've got about 23MM in cap room available (assuming the cap stays fairly flat). Orakpo is the only significatn player with an expiring contract. Further, we've got ALOT of players scheduled to make waaaaay more money than they are worth (Josh Morgan is a prime example, due over 10MM next year). Just looking over the cap chart, if the cap stays flat, and we make reasonable moves to cut/restructure certain players, we could easily have 40MM to play with. If Vinny were running things, that would be cause for concern and we'd have to worry about signing a bunch of old guys to ridiculous contracts. With Shanahan and Allen calling the shots, that means we can sign a number of young, quality players while offering extensions to deserving home-grown players.

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