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Old 01-16-2013, 12:08 AM   #91
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Not gonna happen

Do the Redskins have any $hot?

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He says the only thing the Redskins can really do, is file a lawsuit against the National Football League, a strategy the person said was highly unlikely, “I can’t imagine they would do that.”

The way the Redskins and possibly the Cowboys would go about that, is to file a lawsuit in state or federal court, because the arbitration angle is dead.

The problems associated with a lawsuit of that magnitude is that according to the league’s constitution, the loser of the battle would pay all fees and could be counter-sued for “conduct detrimental to the league.”

The source described a decision to do this as a “thermo-nuclear” choice and strongly suggested that the Redskins avoid that route.

The same person also said that the only way he could think of to make this reversal take place, short of filing a lawsuit – would be to get an amendment to the league’s collective bargaining agreement. How likely is that and getting such a move past key executives like John Mara of the New York Giants? Extremely unlikely in another ESPN 980 sources thought process.

The main source did allow something that I thought was particularly interesting, by saying the NFL “amended the CBA to (bleep) these teams" before, which is why the league’s management committee was able to negotiate a cut throat deal with the NFLPA, in the person’s eyes.
Part of me thinks we should sue the NFL and NFLPA. Not that it would help us, but just to make a point.
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Old 01-16-2013, 12:38 AM   #92
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What I never understood was if the Redskins restructured contracts in an uncapped year to gain some sort of advantage over other teams, how much of an advantage would we have? Uncapped year or not, a team should be able to restructure contracts if it wants.....
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Old 01-16-2013, 09:05 AM   #93
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What I never understood was if the Redskins restructured contracts in an uncapped year to gain some sort of advantage over other teams, how much of an advantage would we have? Uncapped year or not, a team should be able to restructure contracts if it wants.....
They were looking out for the cheap owners that wanted to save money and instead of dropping loads like Danny and Jerry did. I am of mind that I believe most owners would rather profit than win.
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I have been thinking this same thing ever since the Giants were watching the Redskins and Cowboys battle for the NFC EAST crown. Mara forced the Redskins to be fiscally conservative and utilize more young, hungry players along with re-signing key team members from the year before.

Kind of ironic huh?
I think that was part of the plan 3 yrs back when Shanahan and company took over the team. The 18 mil hit hurt sign better quality younger players if anything.
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They were looking out for the cheap owners that wanted to save money and instead of dropping loads like Danny and Jerry did. I am of mind that I believe most owners would rather profit than win.
I don't really think thats the case. There are alot of ways for people who are already fithly stinking richt to make even more money. But these guys chose to own an NFL team. They know theyre going to make money, but they want to do it in a manner that allows them to win something. So i think all NFL owners are driven to have a successful team that wins.

I do think that alot of owners, due to a number of factors (market size, their own limitations in coming up with ways to generate revenue, etc.) have a more limited budget to work with. They simply can't afford to spend as much money and make an acceptable profit margin. I mean, if mike brown (cinci) or shahid khan (jags) spent money like Daniel Snyder and Jerry Jones, the franchises would go bankrupt.... come to think of it, that might not be a bad thing.
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Old 01-19-2013, 08:43 AM   #96
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This is fantastic news.. especially because with the holes we need filled( Safety,Cornerback,WR,RT ) there are some very good free agents available.
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This is fantastic news.. especially because with the holes we need filled( Safety,Cornerback,WR,RT ) there are some very good free agents available.
Don't get too excited, we're probably not getting money back.
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It sounds to me like we will get most or all of it back. We should! an uncapped year means you should be able to do what you want as far as spending , thjere was no guidelines to suggest different. It's totally unfair
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John Clayton:

Venkat in Baltimore noted how much the Dallas Cowboys are over the cap and wonders if the team can appeal to Judge David Doty to get their $5 million of lost cap room back. The case is closed, and the Cowboys can't appeal to Doty because the NFL Players Association signed off on the penalty. The Cowboys lost $10 million of cap room over a two-year period. The Redskins lost $36 million. Even though both teams raised complaints, they have no chance of overturning the decision.

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Someone needs to change this title. We are not going to get anything back.
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if true, this is fantastic and unexpected news. #HTTR
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Someone needs to change this title. We are not going to get anything back.

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if true, this is fantastic and unexpected news. #HTTR
like Mechanix said. the thread title is overly optimistic.
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like Mechanix said. the thread title is overly optimistic.
More like delusional IMO.
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That would be fantastic! I can see good players really wanting to come here now and not just for the paycheck. Finally! It would be great to have the cap space to sign them.
Last I heard because of last years penalty we are right at or slightly over the CAP this year due to all the player raises that are due. The Skins will have to rework contracts just to get below and then rework or cut for the second 18 mill penalty.

If the league drops the second 18 mill maybe we can finagle some contracts to be able to pick up 1 or 2 needed spots.
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Old 01-21-2013, 01:11 PM   #105
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I will always think the penalty was BS, for both us and the Cowpukes. That side, our FO has already moved on, and achieved an above average off-season (last year) with the penalty.
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