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Old 01-15-2013, 01:51 PM   #286
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Would anyones opinion on when RGIII should come back vary based on Kirk Cousins performance?

For example, if we start 0-3, Cousins doesnt look good, and RGIII is cleared to play, but still not moving as quickly as he has in the past, would you want him to come in, wear a brace, and pretty much be a pocket passer?

On the flip side, lets say RGIIIs recovery is slower than expected. Lets say we start the season 8-0, Cousins looks awesome, and the offense is in a clicking. Do you bench Cousins and let RGIII take his job back, or do you rest him for the remainder of the season so he comes back completely fresh in 2014?
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Old 01-15-2013, 02:00 PM   #287
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I would say that's a good estimate, but hey who knows. I wouldn't bet against him making back in time for training camp either. All depends on if he can avoid having any setbacks along the way.
I'm a fan of the time period it takes for him to get back to 100%, explosive, track athlete playmaker. Nothing less. He's far too valuable to risk any further. If he starts the season on PUP, so be it. Kirk can play at a high level if he's getting regular reps with the 1st teamers during the offseason and has a healthy Garcon, Fred Davis, etc to throw to.

Whatever scenario gives us back the pre-injury RGIII, that's the scenario I'm pulling for.
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I'm a fan of the time period it takes for him to get back to 100%, explosive, track athlete playmaker. Nothing less. He's far too valuable to risk any further. If he starts the season on PUP, so be it. Kirk can play at a high level if he's getting regular reps with the 1st teamers during the offseason and has a healthy Garcon, Fred Davis, etc to throw to.

Whatever scenario gives us back the pre-injury RGIII, that's the scenario I'm pulling for.
seriously, really wish he hadn't come back so fast after his injury this season.

wait til he is 100% before throwing him into the fire.

please correct me if i'm wrong, but i think all of us here have total faith in kirk cousins
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No Brainer Here!!! If we are 8-0 with Cousins, I say give RG3 another season to rest that knee

No matter what the situation, we cant bring RG3 back until he is really 100%

I'll take it a bit further, if Cousins brings us into the playoffs, then trade RG3.
Uhhhmmmm... What?
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Uhhhmmmm... What?
i see where he's coming from, i don't agree with it at all, but i understand it.

he's got the fear
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i see where he's coming from, i don't agree with it at all, but i understand it.

he's got the fear
I got it....

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FLASH: Dr. Andrews: “well on his way to recovery” and “will likely start the 2013 season”
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No Brainer Here!!! If we are 8-0 with Cousins, I say give RG3 another season to rest that knee

No matter what the situation, we cant bring RG3 back until he is really 100%

I'll take it a bit further, if Cousins brings us into the playoffs, then trade RG3.
In that situation, I dont think we'd find a single team who would want RG3. They'd want Cousins. He would be cheaper to acquire and come with less question marks. In contrast, RG3 would be very expensive to trade for and he's already proven to be a constant injury concern.

Even when he comes back, you're always going to be worried and theres no evidence to beleive he will ever last an entire NFL season. its much easier for a player like RG3 to withstand a 12 game college season vs. an NFL season where he's exposed to contact in 19-24 games (if you include normal pre-season work and a potential superbowl run).

Its noteworthy that RGIII suffered his knee injury in week 15. It was the 17th game RGIII played in this year, 4 games more than he'd ever played in a college season. RGIII is very muscular and athletic, but his body frame is pretty lanky and his previous injuries mean he will be more succeptable to re-injurying his knees. After what we've seen in his first NFL season, its hard to have any confidence that his body can withstand the rigors of an NFL season. RGIIIs knees just might not be able to handle all the running, flexing, cutting, etc. that he makes in 19+ games.
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RG3's knee accident was a a freakish accident that would have screwed up anyone. I don't think it has anything to do with his frame or his ability to play more than 12 games.

I don't understand why people don't chill the F out and just wait and see what happens next season with RG3's recovery and Cousins' ability to play. I know we'd like to speculate, but I think we are bordering on pulling things out of our asses with these speculations.
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RG3's knee accident was a a freakish accident that would have screwed up anyone. I don't think it has anything to do with his frame or his ability to play more than 12 games.
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1) The accident wouldnt have happened to Peyton Manning because he's a statue and doesnt move around.

2) I honestly dont know if we know for 100% certainty which play actually did the "real" damage to RGIII's knee.

3) We are both looking at the same data (of which neither of us have all the info) and trying to take that information to project the future (which neither of us can do). You think its just a freak accident that happened in RGIIIs first season of playing football more than 12-13 weeks, and everything will be back and he'll be fine. Thats a reasonable projection. I think its just as reasonable to think "this guy missed a year in college for injuring his knee and in his first NFL season, he reinjures the same knee... this isnt good." Where you see randomness, i see a pattern forming.

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I don't understand why people don't chill the F out and just wait and see what happens next season with RG3's recovery and Cousins' ability to play. I know we'd like to speculate, but I think we are bordering on pulling things out of our asses with these speculations.
I get where youre coming from, but there really isnt much else to talk about. We're less than a week removed from hearing RGIII had major surgery - i would think something would be wrong with us as fans if we WEREN'T talking about this.
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RG3's knee accident was a a freakish accident that would have screwed up anyone. I don't think it has anything to do with his frame or his ability to play more than 12 games.

I don't understand why people don't chill the F out and just wait and see what happens next season with RG3's recovery and Cousins' ability to play. I know we'd like to speculate, but I think we are bordering on pulling things out of our asses with these speculations.
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A few thoughts:

1) The accident wouldnt have happened to Peyton Manning because he's a statue and doesnt move around.

2) I honestly dont know if we know for 100% certainty which play actually did the "real" damage to RGIII's knee.

3) We are both looking at the same data (of which neither of us have all the info) and trying to take that information to project the future (which neither of us can do). You think its just a freak accident that happened in RGIIIs first season of playing football more than 12-13 weeks, and everything will be back and he'll be fine. Thats a reasonable projection. I think its just as reasonable to think "this guy missed a year in college for injuring his knee and in his first NFL season, he reinjures the same knee... this isnt good." Where you see randomness, i see a pattern forming.

I get where youre coming from, but there really isnt much else to talk about. We're less than a week removed from hearing RGIII had major surgery - i would think something would be wrong with us as fans if we WEREN'T talking about this.
I keep looking at the play when Ngata hit RG3 and the way RG3's knee got twisted. I don't care if you are Cam Newton, Russell Wilson (who is way smaller than RG3), Colin K., Big Ben, or any other mobile or running QB, your knee is going to get f'ed up. My point is that whether RG3 is 6'2"/217 lbs. or 6'5"/230 lbs., if your knee bends that way, you are screwed.

I think there is legitimate concern about him having his knee injured again. But plenty of people have come back from injuries such as Rivers back in 2007 or Willis McGahee. People forget how McGahee shredded his knee at the Fiesta Bowl in 2003 (he tore just about every CL there is on his knee). And was able to come back to have a good career.

I would first like to see how he recovers before I make outlandish statements about trading RG3 and keeping Cousins and all the other non-sense you keep hearing.
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Back during the Eagles Redskins game I commented that I would not be surprised to see RG3 in surgery after our season ends. I was immediately called crazy but it wasn't craziness, it was common sense.

RG3, as much as we all like him, most likely will continue to be injury prone because of his style of play, take away his style of play and lose RG3 as we know him anyway. Either way, RG3 will not (can not) be the type of QB he was.

Lets not forget he also suffered a concussion this season, a few more of them and he's joining Aikman in the booth..

The observation at this point is not looking good for RG3's future health, projected from what we have seen thus far.

As far as nonsense talk about keeping Cousins, if Cousins where to bring the Skins to the playoffs nonsense would become commonsense.

With that said, anything can happen and I am hoping for the best regarding RG3... Nothing wrong with speculating IMO.
I don't see anything wrong with RG3 becoming a mobile (not running) QB like Big Ben or Rodgers. I am not saying that RG3 is going to be healthy forever, but some people act like he's going to be Ryan Matthews or someone like that.
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I keep looking at the play when Ngata hit RG3 and the way RG3's knee got twisted. I don't care if you are Cam Newton, Russell Wilson (who is way smaller than RG3), Colin K., Big Ben, or any other mobile or running QB, your knee is going to get f'ed up. My point is that whether RG3 is 6'2"/217 lbs. or 6'5"/230 lbs., if your knee bends that way, you are screwed.

I think there is legitimate concern about him having his knee injured again. But plenty of people have come back from injuries such as Rivers back in 2007 or Willis McGahee. People forget how McGahee shredded his knee at the Fiesta Bowl in 2003 (he tore just about every CL there is on his knee). And was able to come back to have a good career.

I would first like to see how he recovers before I make outlandish statements about trading RG3 and keeping Cousins and all the other non-sense you keep hearing.
wilson (5'11" 206) is way smaller than griff (6'2" 217) like mike tyson (5'10" 230) is way smaller than brock osweiler (6'7" 242)

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Strait talk... No question he will be back. No doubt he can be a dangerous mobile QB. He has demonstrated he can also be dangerous in the pocket. I guess the question is going to be, can he limit himself and still play all out? Bigger question is, will he limit himself or go back to what he does best?

Definitely a wait and see.
RG3 and limit don't even go together.

The guy is going to go back out there and push himself. Unless that knee is really killing him or Shanahan explicitly tells him that it's okay to run around but limit the long runs, Griff is going to try to be the Griff he was prior to the injury.
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