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Old 01-16-2013, 07:04 AM   #331
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I don't know which is worse Lattimore or Mcgahee.

Speaking of Lattimore, would you all be oppossed to spending a 4th round pick on him?
I think either fans are going to be pleasantly surprised or extremely let down. For the season this year I said 8-8, the team exceeded my expectations so I'm happy with our out come. The RG3 injury I'm figuring 12 months, if he comes back prior to the season then he has exceeded my expectations.

But like you I think fans see a few guys make it back in 6 months and automatically believe RG3 WILL be back for the start of the season. I have a friend who says everytime some one says "up to a year"....."no, he WILL be back, he's an athlete and is in tip top shape, and because he's RG3." Then he brings up AP. I try to tell him as many AP cases that are out there there are cases of players NEVER being able to come back. And I get "no he WILL be back on time."
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Re: RGIII undergoing total reconstructive surgery: out 6-8 months

Bill Parcells had a good segment on the Read Option offense and he basically said it won't work long in the NFL because teams next year will focus on punishing the QB everytime it's ran. Jason Taylor basically said the same today on ESPN.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:53 AM   #333
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Why is no one talking about Russell Wilson or Colin Kaepernick or Cam Newton when they discuss the read-option and guys getting hurt. Its always RGIII. I guess because he is the one that got hurt. Are not those guys in just as much danger?
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Bill Parcells had a good segment on the Read Option offense and he basically said it won't work long in the NFL because teams next year will focus on punishing the QB everytime it's ran. Jason Taylor basically said the same today on ESPN.
Parcells and Taylor are stupid
1) you cant punish a QB if you cant catch him when he runs
2) you cant punish a QB if he slides and/or runs out of bounds to avoid contact, unless you want a flag
3) I noticed Wilson and Kaepernick doing the same thing RGIII does - after handing the ball off to the RB, when defenders are near, they quickly lift their hands up to show defenders they dont have the ball - if theyre touched, its 15 yards.

Unless the rules change, anything defenses do to try to "punish" QBs running the option will result in first downs for the offense.
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Old 01-16-2013, 12:34 PM   #335
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Not even going to watch that video of the knee injury. Brings back memories. In other news, the London times had this writeup after the Skins loss.





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Bill Parcells had a good segment on the Read Option offense and he basically said it won't work long in the NFL because teams next year will focus on punishing the QB everytime it's ran. Jason Taylor basically said the same today on ESPN.
My question is what was stopping them from doing that this year then?

You can't just give up 15 yard roughing penalties all day.
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My question is what was stopping them from doing that this year then?

You can't just give up 15 yard roughing penalties all day.

It won't be a roughing penalty because he's considered a runner.
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It won't be a roughing penalty because he's considered a runner.
not when he puts his arms up

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Parcells and Taylor are stupid
1) you cant punish a QB if you cant catch him when he runs
2) you cant punish a QB if he slides and/or runs out of bounds to avoid contact, unless you want a flag
3) I noticed Wilson and Kaepernick doing the same thing RGIII does - after handing the ball off to the RB, when defenders are near, they quickly lift their hands up to show defenders they dont have the ball - if theyre touched, its 15 yards.

Unless the rules change, anything defenses do to try to "punish" QBs running the option will result in first downs for the offense.
This. "Old school" football might have allowed that method of stopping it, but now you can't take cheap shots just because the qb faked a handoff. Which is another part of it, and why the stretch option should be stricken from our playbook, if Griffin (or any qb) starts running and at the last second pitches it, he ought to be fair game for a hit, but the way the zone read option is being used, the qb isn't running with the ball unless a clear lane opens to him. He may:
** pass (protected by rules)
** handoff(protected as soon as he throws his hands up and clears that he doesn't have it),
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**run (where he can get slammed but only should run if a defender isn't barreling down on him)

Taylor and Parcells just aren't looking at it in the right context. A lot of opponents of it aren't.
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It won't be a roughing penalty because he's considered a runner.
It's a penalty if he doesn't have the ball.
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It's a penalty if he doesn't have the ball.
The problem is that he's carrying out the fakes and the defense doesn't know he doesn't have the ball. They aren't going to penalize the defense on this. They didn't the whole season.
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The problem is that he's carrying out the fakes and the defense doesn't know he doesn't have the ball. They aren't going to penalize the defense on this. They didn't the whole season.
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My question is what was stopping them from doing that this year then?

You can't just give up 15 yard roughing penalties all day.
How many times in the Dallas game did D.Ware have a clear, clean shot at RGIII and didn't take it?

If the Taylor/Parcells method is right, Ryan should have instructed Ware to just flatten Griffin every play and let others worry about Morris. I can think of only 3 reasons he didn't do so: (1) Ryan knew it was illegal to do so; (2) Ryan is too stupid to figure this out; (3) Ryan is too classy to try a borderline legal tactic that might cause injury to an opposing player.

Okay, so two reasons.
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In this day and age where a cheap shot 15 penalty can also result in a fine later on in the week from the league office and a possible ejection, it maybe easy to say "just go ahead and hit the guy anyway", but the next question is "Who is paying my fine when I do?"
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I'm with Matty on this one. Why is everyone coming up with such easy solutions, but not a single team has been able to implement it this year?

The best way I've seen to stop the Zone option read is to play disciplined football even if the running back is getting 4 yards a pop. Stick with your assignments, get burned a little bit on the run inside, don't give up the huge 20+ yard plays on the outside.
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