RGIII undergoing total reconstructive surgery: out 6-8 months

punch it in · 01-16-2013, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

My question is what was stopping them from doing that this year then?

You can't just give up 15 yard roughing penalties all day.

Exactly.

Mattyk · 01-16-2013, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm pretty surprised to hear such simple-minded response from someone like Parcells...or a player like Taylor.

I was expecting them to say things like "teams will look for DEs with speed" or "teams using a DB as a spy more often". You know, more football talk rather than a simple/stupid "just hit the QB" answer.

I've seen other so called experts saying the same thing. I just keep coming back to so why didn't anyone use this so called tactic this year??

punch it in · 01-16-2013, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

I've seen other so called experts saying the same thing. I just keep coming back to so why didn't anyone use this so called tactic this year??

Apparently the launch date for stopping the impossible is the 2013 season. They are just hyping it up. Lol.

punch it in · 01-16-2013, 05:22 PM

I just cant imagine any of the DC's that got burned this year by the read option saying "oh my God I figured it out, next year when teams do that were just going to hit the qb everytime no matter what!"
Its actually absurd.

skinsfan69 · 01-16-2013, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

You're basically taking the DE out of the play then, which is what the offense wants. How is that going to stop anything? The QB would just hand it off all day and gash the D.

That's true. But we all know how sensitive everyone will be when QB's start getting hit.

CrustyRedskin · 01-16-2013, 05:39 PM

Everyone that runs it has copied the Skins in the fact that they started bringing the h-back round as a lead blocker yet crossing the face of the DE or OLB and continuing on to the second level. Kudos to Kyle on that first id ever seen of its kind.That is an absolute nightmare for a DC to coach that up.

skinsfan69 · 01-16-2013, 05:44 PM

The read option has been around for many many years. Today it's just run out of a mini shotgun instead of under center. Back when I played it was real simple, the DE was to hit the crap out of the QB as hard as he could so I'm not surprised at what Taylor and Parcells said. Teams are not going to draft smaller faster DE's just to stop a play.

skinsfaninok · 01-16-2013, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

My question is what was stopping them from doing that this year then?

You can't just give up 15 yard roughing penalties all day.

They actually asked JT that same Q and he said its worth a couple flags to show the QB he won't be running around all day like they did this yr. He actually seemed irritated by the offense .

Lotus · 01-16-2013, 06:37 PM

If you position a LB, S, or CB to shadow the RB and at the same time have a DE committed to the QB, you can slow down our read option. This theoretically allows you more hits on the QB because the DE doesn't have to think - he just charges. In this way what JT and Parcells said was true. But various circumstances conspire against a defense's ability to pull off this ideal defense.

punch it in · 01-16-2013, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

If you position a LB, S, or CB to shadow the RB and at the same time have a DE committed to the QB, you can slow down our read option. This theoretically allows you more hits on the QB because the DE doesn't have to think - he just charges. In this way what JT and Parcells said was true. But various circumstances conspire against a defense's ability to pull off this ideal defense.

Ahhh....the perfect world of theoretics. Lol.

Dirtbag59 · 01-16-2013, 06:53 PM

Until RG3 starts getting hit again on the read option or it stops working I say continue using it. As I pointed out before (after being drawn to it by someone on 980) somewhere around week 2 or 3 RG3 started doing the thing where he put his hands up to let defenders know he didn't have the ball and from there on he took very few if any hits on read option plays. All the bad stuff happened on improvised scrambles off traditional drop back and throw passing plays.

Mattyk · 01-16-2013, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by punch it in

I just cant imagine any of the DC's that got burned this year by the read option saying "oh my God I figured it out, next year when teams do that were just going to hit the qb everytime no matter what!"
Its actually absurd.

Yeah I just don't understand what DC's are waiting for if hitting the QB is the solution. Someone needed to give that memo to Green Bay last week.

HailGreen28 · 01-16-2013, 07:44 PM

I say this as a "devil's advocate". But what's stopping DEs from just blitzing all out, and if it's a read option just go hit the QB? It's not like they'll get a penalty if they can get to the QB right after he hands off the ball.

los panda · 01-16-2013, 07:48 PM

the 6-2 defense we ran in pop warner would put an end to this read option madness. 4 down lineman w 2 standing ends, the ends crash down, the 2 linebackers go to the ball, the 2 cornerbacks and safety clean up the mess. oh wait, pro qbs can throw farther than 30 yards...

Mattyk · 01-16-2013, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HailGreen28

I say this as a "devil's advocate". But what's stopping DEs from just blitzing all out, and if it's a read option just go hit the QB? It's not like they'll get a penalty if they can get to the QB right after he hands off the ball.

If they can't get to the QB the back is probably running wild in your secondary.

And with someone like RG3 who makes great reads, he's never going to keep the ball when he sees the end selling out in his direction.

01-16-2013, 05:22 PM	#364
punch it in Playmaker Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: toms river, nj Age: 41 Posts: 3,369	I just cant imagine any of the DC's that got burned this year by the read option saying "oh my God I figured it out, next year when teams do that were just going to hit the qb everytime no matter what!" Its actually absurd. __________________ "Coaches who can outline plays on a black board are a dime a dozen. The ones who win get inside their player and motivate." Vince Lombardi

01-16-2013, 05:39 PM	#366
CrustyRedskin The Starter Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: RatherbeinDC, TX Posts: 1,992	Re: RGIII undergoing total reconstructive surgery: out 6-8 months Everyone that runs it has copied the Skins in the fact that they started bringing the h-back round as a lead blocker yet crossing the face of the DE or OLB and continuing on to the second level. Kudos to Kyle on that first id ever seen of its kind.That is an absolute nightmare for a DC to coach that up. __________________ But you know the sun's settin' fast, and just like they say, nothing good ever lasts.

01-16-2013, 05:44 PM	#367
skinsfan69 Franchise Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA. Posts: 8,103	Re: RGIII undergoing total reconstructive surgery: out 6-8 months The read option has been around for many many years. Today it's just run out of a mini shotgun instead of under center. Back when I played it was real simple, the DE was to hit the crap out of the QB as hard as he could so I'm not surprised at what Taylor and Parcells said. Teams are not going to draft smaller faster DE's just to stop a play.

01-16-2013, 06:37 PM	#369
Lotus Mann Up HOF! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 8,906	Re: RGIII undergoing total reconstructive surgery: out 6-8 months If you position a LB, S, or CB to shadow the RB and at the same time have a DE committed to the QB, you can slow down our read option. This theoretically allows you more hits on the QB because the DE doesn't have to think - he just charges. In this way what JT and Parcells said was true. But various circumstances conspire against a defense's ability to pull off this ideal defense. __________________ Rooting for the Dallas Cowboys should be recognized as a treatable mental disorder.

01-16-2013, 06:53 PM	#371
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 27 Posts: 13,952	Re: RGIII undergoing total reconstructive surgery: out 6-8 months Until RG3 starts getting hit again on the read option or it stops working I say continue using it. As I pointed out before (after being drawn to it by someone on 980) somewhere around week 2 or 3 RG3 started doing the thing where he put his hands up to let defenders know he didn't have the ball and from there on he took very few if any hits on read option plays. All the bad stuff happened on improvised scrambles off traditional drop back and throw passing plays. __________________ Flacco is 1337 Fanclub President

01-16-2013, 07:44 PM	#373
HailGreen28 The Starter Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,681	Re: RGIII undergoing total reconstructive surgery: out 6-8 months I say this as a "devil's advocate". But what's stopping DEs from just blitzing all out, and if it's a read option just go hit the QB? It's not like they'll get a penalty if they can get to the QB right after he hands off the ball.

01-16-2013, 07:48 PM	#374
los panda Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: los angeles, ca Age: 28 Posts: 3,849	Re: RGIII undergoing total reconstructive surgery: out 6-8 months the 6-2 defense we ran in pop warner would put an end to this read option madness. 4 down lineman w 2 standing ends, the ends crash down, the 2 linebackers go to the ball, the 2 cornerbacks and safety clean up the mess. oh wait, pro qbs can throw farther than 30 yards... __________________ 7 9 21 28 33 42 43 44 49 65 70 81

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