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Old 01-09-2013, 04:29 PM   #106
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I'm not giving him a pass at all. I saw him playing much differently after the ATL game, frequently getting down or getting out of bounds when he had to.

In the Balt game yeah he took a big hit trying to get more yards, but in a big game/big situation that's going to happen sometimes.

It's football, you play to win the game.
I agree. He did play differently after getting a concussion. You saw him slide (sometimes head first) a lot more often even on option plays. Baltimore game he got hit from behind, trying to slide. It was unlucky.

Seattle you may have seen him take more chances, it is a playoff game.
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:31 PM   #107
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:33 PM   #108
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I'm not giving him a pass at all. I saw him playing much differently after the ATL game, frequently getting down or getting out of bounds when he had to.

In the Balt game yeah he took a big hit trying to get more yards, but in a big game/big situation that's going to happen sometimes.

It's football, you play to win the game.
Thank you!! i have been saying this over and over . . . seems nobody thinks RGIII learned anything from the Atlanta game because he got hurt in the Baltimore game . . . the way he got hurt against the ravens could just as easily have happened to a standard pocket passer as it did to him . . . i too have noticed that he slides earlier and heads out of bounds quicker . . . and love the big game go for it attitude which will be necessary at many points during his career (well hopefully we are in big situations, i believe we will be in many)
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:34 PM   #109
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Re: RGIII undergoing total reconstructive surgery: out 6-8 months

A few questions someone may help me with:
  1. Isn't a lot harder to come back from a second of these injuries to the same leg?
  2. Why do the NFL teams pick a doctor? Shouldn't the NFLPA enploy the doctors? Conflict of interest, IMO.
  3. How much you think it will hurt RG3 to miss training camp? This isn't a 5 year vet we are talking about.
  4. Who looks over the feild and determines it is safe to play on? The refs?
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There are several things going on:
1) he never took hits like NFL hits in College. These guys are brutal. I think he learned that after the Atlanta game.
2) you can't win on every play. He hates that, it's why he cut back in the Ravens game, or hurdled over a guy in the 4th quarter of one game. That makes him who he is. I think he is learning this. You see him step out of bounds a lot better in the last few games. But the throw to Garcon, was a we need this now play.
3) He has to learn it's about the season/career, not a single play - I hope he learns this and understands it from this last surgery.

One thing is for sure, he is smart, and he will look at his performance and see if it needs to change. I just wonder how much you can change that internal nature that has driven him so long.
I think this is the tricky part. His legs have been his security blanket his entire career. Can he ever realize how good his arm is when he knows a big play is a few steps that way?

I still think RG3 can be a very good QB without olympic quality speed. He can rely on speed to help him out of a collapsing pocket, but has to forget speed when the option of run or throw it away is what he has to choose from. If he doesnt learn that throwing it away is a good thing, then its going to be a tough road for him in the NFL.
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I think this is the tricky part. His legs have been his security blanket his entire career. Can he ever realize how good his arm is when he knows a big play is a few steps that way?
In college, he threw for 78 TDs and only 17 INTs, 67.1% in basically 3 seasons. His senior year, 72.4% passing with 37 TDs and 6 INTs.

I think he realizes he can throw the ball. Those sounds like the stats of a pass-first QB to me too. Of course he did run for 33 more TDs, but he can succeed in the NFL even if he can't run at all.

Do you know he even punted 4 times for a 40-yard average with a long of 59 yards?

He caught 3 passes too.

He can do anything and everything.
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We drafted RGIII specifically for his style of play. I'm not saying he can't be an elite "traditional" quarterback, but that would be a waste of his talents at this point in time. RGIII didnt get hurt doing anything Aaron Rodgers doesnt do frequently.

The reason RGIII had to have this surgery is because of how he and team handled his earlier injuries. He played in games where he really should have been inactive.

I dont want RGIII to return earlier than he should and play as a pure pocket passer - kirk cousins can do that. I want RGIII to return when he can play HIS style of play, like he did against Stl Louis, and not a moment sooner. The only thing RGIII needs to adjust on the field is to continue to slide when in the open field, instead of gaining another yard or two and taking an unnecessary hit.
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We drafted RGIII specifically for his style of play. I'm not saying he can't be an elite "traditional" quarterback, but that would be a waste of his talents at this point in time. RGIII didnt get hurt doing anything Aaron Rodgers doesnt do frequently.

The reason RGIII had to have this surgery is because of how he and team handled his earlier injuries. He played in games where he really should have been inactive.

I dont want RGIII to return earlier than he should and play as a pure pocket passer - kirk cousins can do that. I want RGIII to return when he can play HIS style of play, like he did against Stl Louis, and not a moment sooner. The only thing RGIII needs to adjust on the field is to continue to slide when in the open field, instead of gaining another yard or two and taking an unnecessary hit.
I totally agree with you, and explain my reasoning in another thread I started, http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...on-or-not.html (To Read Option, or Not)
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It's football, you play to win the game.
I feel like I heard this somewhere before.

The surgery went well, he'll come back strong. Feeling much more relieved today.

RGIII has heart, players like him don't pull themselves out of games, he was going to crawl back onto the field if the coaches didn't directly pull him out of the game. It wasn't like it was pre-season or even the regular season. It was the playoffs!

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Thank you!! i have been saying this over and over . . . seems nobody thinks RGIII learned anything from the Atlanta game because he got hurt in the Baltimore game . . . the way he got hurt against the ravens could just as easily have happened to a standard pocket passer as it did to him . . . i too have noticed that he slides earlier and heads out of bounds quicker . . . and love the big game go for it attitude which will be necessary at many points during his career (well hopefully we are in big situations, i believe we will be in many)
I'm not sure he learned anything,the coaches sure didnt
Sometimes he's smart,other times not so much
Go back and watch his very first run against Seattle,he turned upfield and his leg swings around in the air EXACTLY like in ravens game,only difference is he was lucky no one hit it in the air this time(well it turned out not to matter since he messed it up later)
I just hope hes learned to pull himself out next time because the coaches sure aren't smart enough
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No disrespect but, you don't really expect RG3 back "a couple of games into the season" do you? Please don't do that to yourself. RG3 will be extremely lucky to play by mid November.

Kirk Cousins will be the starter for most or all of 2013. If RG3 was a simple drop back pass type of QB, ((maybe)) he could play by seasons end, but even then I highly doubt it.

There is no way Redskins make the same mistake twice... Even with Doc Andrews pep talking us.
Right now it's just too early to tell but I agree. RG3 was suppose to be getting better this offseasonn, working on his craft. Now that time will be spent doing rehab on a knee that's now been cut up twice. This is not going to be an AP type of recovery. I think Cousins starts more than a couple of games.
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From the Doc.

"Robert Griffin III had successful knee surgery early this morning. He had a direct repair of his LCL and a re-do of his previous ACL reconstruction. We expect a full recovery and it is everybody's hope and belief that due to Robert's high motivation, he will be ready for the 2013 season.

"The goal of his treatment is to give him the best opportunity for a long professional career."
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In college, he threw for 78 TDs and only 17 INTs, 67.1% in basically 3 seasons. His senior year, 72.4% passing with 37 TDs and 6 INTs.

I think he realizes he can throw the ball. Those sounds like the stats of a pass-first QB to me too. Of course he did run for 33 more TDs, but he can succeed in the NFL even if he can't run at all.


Do you know he even punted 4 times for a 40-yard average with a long of 59 yards?

He caught 3 passes too.

He can do anything and everything.
But what he ran in college was read the first guy, if not open then run. The times when he stood in the pocket were when teams made the effort to contain the pocket over applying a pash rush. Although he could still do read options against them.

Will RG3 ever learn to stand there when the first guy isnt open going through his progressions until he throws the ball away? Or will he always read until the rush gets close and start running?

I would rather RG3 throw it away instead of constantly trying to run when the pocket collapses. That doesnt mean he shouldnt extend a play if an opening is there. But he still needs to realize that he needs to throw the ball away if the receivers are still not open (Or quickly just grab 5 or 10 yards, which he was better at later in the season except one play... but thats all it takes). He knows what his legs are capable of on any given play. In college, thats fine. In the NFL, not so much.
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Notice how he doesn't say "The start of the 2013 season" he just says "the 2013 season"
so, you think he meant preseason? :smashfrea i know you meant after the start of the season
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so, you think he meant preseason? :smashfrea i know you meant after the start of the season
Nah probably Mini-camp.
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