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Old 01-14-2013, 03:49 PM   #76
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Of course not. You've got the cart way out in front of the horse though, right?
just wanted to be clear on how you felt about it
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Old 01-14-2013, 04:00 PM   #77
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San Francisco has the best Oline in the NFL and Green Bay has a terrible defense...I think that helps alot.

Healthy RG3 puts those numbers up all day against Green Bay.

Kaepernick is great, RG3 is the better passer.
and if you gave Tom Brady RGIIIs legs and put him behind San Francisco's line and had him playing against a Canadian high school team, he'd put have 1,000 yards of total offense.

RGIII is not healthy, may never be fully healthy for an entire season, and (hopefully) will never play behind the 49ers offensive line. Its fun to imagine what different players would do with different health/teams/circumstances, but its all just speculation. My only real point was that Kaepernick had a phenominal game and has been a healthy quarterback. RGIII has the potential to be one of the greatest players to ever play the game, but style of play, fearlessness with his body, and injury history may prevent him from reaching that potential.
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Old 01-14-2013, 04:03 PM   #78
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Calling Kapernick and Wilson better than RG3 is just flat out ridiculous. Give RG3 those offensive lines and those defenses, good luck even making a comparison. Give either of them our O-line and they would probably be considered prospects at best.

They are both on better teams, but neither is remotely better.
Did you feel that fly right over your head?

There's no point comparing the three QBs straight across. It's a team sport. To build a serious contender in the NFL you need to find value every year in the draft and FA. Those franchises have done it. We have not. Period.
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Let's see at the end of their careers who brought the most "value", as in hardware, to their respective teams.
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Let's see at the end of their careers who brought the most "value", as in hardware, to their respective teams.
That will be interesting. Right now, Manning, Brady, and Rodgers are the three that always seem to be compared, even though they started many years apart.

When the season started, all the talk was about how Luck and RG3 would be compared throughout their careers (and rightly so, due to being taken 1-2 in the draft), but in 10 years, the debate could be between all 4 guys - Luck, RG3, Wilson, and Kaepernick.

We really seem to be living in a golden age of quarterbacks. Both Mannings, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers are all 1st ballot hall of famers. Thats five guys. Then we've got 4 new quarterbacks who are all really good. Then you've got the other very good, but not elite, guys like Flacco, Ryan, Rothlisberger, Rivers, Romo. And finally, there's the good young quarterbacks that show promise, like Newton, Stafford, Bradford, and Dalton.

I cant remember a time when there have been this many GOOD quarterbacks in the league at the same time. One thing is for sure - i see no incentive in using a pick in the first 5 rounds of the 2013 fantasy draft on a quarterback.
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Old 01-14-2013, 04:35 PM   #81
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Did you feel that fly right over your head?

There's no point comparing the three QBs straight across. It's a team sport. To build a serious contender in the NFL you need to find value every year in the draft and FA. Those franchises have done it. We have not. Period.
Since you mean this as an anti-Shanny thing. Do you honestly think that either of those two franchises only have players within 3 years of their being on the team?

San Fran specifically has been doing well in the draft area for a long time (A lot more than 3 years). The players flat out quit on Singletary. Harbaugh went places with Alex Smith... Mark Sanchez went to how many AFC Championship games in his young career?

So you might as well add Alex Smith and Mark Sanchez to the list of QB's that are better than RG3. I think your list excludes Gabbert, but not so much anyone else. Your standard, not mine.
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Did you feel that fly right over your head?

There's no point comparing the three QBs straight across. It's a team sport. To build a serious contender in the NFL you need to find value every year in the draft and FA. Those franchises have done it. We have not. Period.
Have you been watching? Its like we had a 10 loss season reading your post. We have been building through the draft.

And yes you can compare the QB play...its like you have no pride in your team. Goat its ok to say RG3 is better than Wilson and Kapernick...because he is.
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Here's some value for those paying attention.

Morris was some serious value in the draft, period.

Cousins? You can never underestimate having a good backup/spot starter.

A. Robinson was a 6th rounder last year, he made some plays for us this year.

Mo Hurt was a 7th rd pick last year, he stepped in nicely last year at LG and this year at RT. Valuable swing lineman.

Guys to watch in 2013: Compton, Crawford, K. Robinson, LeRibeus.
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Redskins have been drafting well recently. Manly the past 2 or 3 seasons, obviously we all hope it continues. I just hope redskins stop making crazy offseason moves. Winners in march usually means losers in December. Already have made too many trades and big free agent signings with shanahan. Hopefully the focus is to sign some key understated guys that don't want 50+ mil (like bryd who will probably be franchises or resigned anyway). As it is wih other teams, the redskins best players are the ones the redskins drafted and developed.
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Redskins have been drafting well recently. Manly the past 2 or 3 seasons, obviously we all hope it continues. I just hope redskins stop making crazy offseason moves. Winners in march usually means losers in December. Already have made too many trades and big free agent signings with shanahan. Hopefully the focus is to sign some key understated guys that don't want 50+ mil (like bryd who will probably be franchises or resigned anyway). As it is wih other teams, the redskins best players are the ones the redskins drafted and developed.
You mean guys like Chester, Bowen, Kory L., Cofield, Morgan, etc?
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So i've got something new i want to rant about - Colts fans who are b!tching and whining that Andrew Luck isnt in the ROY conversation. They keep pointing out that he took a 2-14 team and turned them into an 11-5 team.

I say that's crap. Indy was a perennial 13-3 team when they had a good quarterback and 2-14 team when they were starting guys that shouldnt even be 3rd stringers with a head coach who was a complete joke.

Andrew Luck may develop into an elite passer, but in 2012, he wasn't all that impressive. I know QB rating isnt perfect, but its a decent guideline that correleates pretty well to the "eyeball test." In 2012, the to 8 NFL players in QB rating were (in order):
Aaron Rodgers
Peyton Manning
Robert Griffin II
Russell Wilson
Matt Ryan
Tom Brady
Ben Rothlisberger
Drew Brees

Andrew Luck was 26th. Blaine Gabbert, Nick Foles, Mike Vick, Christian Ponder, and Ryan Fitzpatrick all had better QB ratings than Luck. If Ryan Fitzpatrick is better than you in a category that combines multiple statistics, you're not any good. He was 14th in the league with 23 TDs, but 4th in interceptions with 18. Fellow rookie Russell Wilson threw 3 more TDs with 8 less picks. RGI threw 3 less TDs but with an astonishing 13 less picks (only 10).

I'm sorry Colts fans, but Andrew Luck wasnt very good. The only category of note where Luck put up favorable numbers in comparision to the other rookies (let alone other quarterbacks) is passing yards. To that i say - Luck threw like crazy in the 4th quarter when defenses were playing prevent because the opposing team had built up large leads - partly due to Lucks ineffectiveness and mistakes throughout the earlier parts of the game. So while he did earn the yards, i dont think its as much of a "positive" as you might think.

No sane person would argue that Luck was a better rookie QB than RGIII or Wilson. And quarterbacks werent the only noteable rookie offensive players in 2012. If we're talking skill position players (and offensive ROY candidates almost always are) Alfred Morris and Doug Martin also be in the conversation. You can only really include Luck in the conversation if you want it to be a big conversation. And even if you include him, you cant do so seriously.

Going by every measurable statistic, RGIII is the clear front-runner for ROY, with Wilson a close 2nd. If youre going to include a third player in the conversation, its going to be Alfred Morris, not Andrew Luck. Sorry Colts fans. Andrew Luck isnt getting snubbed. He's just not in the conversation because he doesnt desreve to be.
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Here's some value for those paying attention.

Morris was some serious value in the draft, period.

Cousins? You can never underestimate having a good backup/spot starter.

A. Robinson was a 6th rounder last year, he made some plays for us this year.

Mo Hurt was a 7th rd pick last year, he stepped in nicely last year at LG and this year at RT. Valuable swing lineman.

Guys to watch in 2013: Compton, Crawford, K. Robinson, LeRibeus.
And thats just the draft.

We've signed alot of value free agents who have been key contributors:

Garcon, Morgan, Kory L., Polumbus (not that hes good, but for the money, i dont think we could have done much better), Bowen, and Cofield... they've all met or exceeded expections and none of them broke the bank
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And thats just the draft.

We've signed alot of value free agents who have been key contributors:

Garcon, Morgan, Kory L., Polumbus (not that hes good, but for the money, i dont think we could have done much better), Bowen, and Cofield... they've all met or exceeded expections and none of them broke the bank
Shhhhhhhhhhhh....

pointing things out like this only feeds The Butt Head.

By all accounts, Shanahan has transformed the culture of this team by building through the draft and select free agents.

San Fran had been doing so before Shanny started, and Harbaugh was able to take a good, young roster and make it a very good team. Carroll (much as I dislike him) has taken an average team (7-9 his first two years) and assembled a young winner built to compete for the long term - in part because he got lucky with Wilson.

If you put RGIII in Seattle or SF, he would be crazy good. I think we are close to the same here. Another offseason like the last two and I think Shanny has the turnaround complete.
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That will be interesting. Right now, Manning, Brady, and Rodgers are the three that always seem to be compared, even though they started many years apart.

When the season started, all the talk was about how Luck and RG3 would be compared throughout their careers (and rightly so, due to being taken 1-2 in the draft), but in 10 years, the debate could be between all 4 guys - Luck, RG3, Wilson, and Kaepernick.

We really seem to be living in a golden age of quarterbacks. Both Mannings, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers are all 1st ballot hall of famers. Thats five guys. Then we've got 4 new quarterbacks who are all really good. Then you've got the other very good, but not elite, guys like Flacco, Ryan, Rothlisberger, Rivers, Romo. And finally, there's the good young quarterbacks that show promise, like Newton, Stafford, Bradford, and Dalton.

I cant remember a time when there have been this many GOOD quarterbacks in the league at the same time. One thing is for sure - i see no incentive in using a pick in the first 5 rounds of the 2013 fantasy draft on a quarterback.
All solid points but Rivers has been terrible. His fall from elite status is pretty shocking.
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All solid points but Rivers has been terrible. His fall from elite status is pretty shocking.
I actually debated even including him; however, he's been so good for so long, i couldnt bring myself to remove him. He really had no talent around him this year though. None. No running backs, no receivers, and Gates was non-existent. Their new coach and GM will have their work cut out for them.
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