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Old 04-26-2013, 02:38 PM   #136
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You can't be serious here. If anything RG has shown less "intelligence" about avoiding contact etc. Or do you assume that will improve dramatically and he'll slide early and often or head out of bounds?
Griffin learned, but only after shit got serious. for example after his concussion, you saw him use the sideline far better. After he got blasted after a handoff, and a ref actually told him, "you gotta get your hands up after the handoff", you saw him giving himself up once the ballcarrier was clear of the handoff. But he also has a superman complex. The question will be if he can clear that out in the waning minutes of games, and slide/get out of bounds.

If you watched the games then you know he increasingly used the sidelines and learned through the season. You also know that the plays that were called for him to run were quick to the edge plays where his burst allowed him to get to the sideline, and he really didn't take many hits from those.

No qb needs to be taking unnecessary hits, that's true, but how Griffin's hits were caused seems to be where you disagree with most everybody else on this board.
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You can't be serious here. If anything RG has shown less "intelligence" about avoiding contact etc. Or do you assume that will improve dramatically and he'll slide early and often or head out of bounds?
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Old 04-26-2013, 02:41 PM   #138
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Don't get sloppy now. You talked about his intelligence for avoiding contact, but it doesn't match the reality so far.

Dallas fans I know (most are friends) pity RG for the situation he's in. Running his wheels off is the typical comment.
But that's just not accurately describing the nature of the offense, and from the cowboys board I am on, most Dallas fans find some way to comfort themselves from the thought of facing Griffin and the Skins every year. In fact, they can get pretty creative about it.
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If this were the Buccaneers board and you talked to the boss that way, you'd be outta here!
I appreciate the mods tolerance for dissent/discussion (no sarcasm)
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I guess my bottom line: if we continue to use RG as a running QB the likelihood he plays a long, healthy career isn't good.
RGIII was injured (or worsening of an injury) 4 times last year by my count.

1. vs. Atlanta
2. vs. Baltimore
3. vs. Seattle (2nd TD drive)
4. vs. Seattle (end of the game)

Since you watched every play of every game last year, can you tell us what each play was and how Griffin got hurt?

To your team building strategy of building a formidable line, neither Shanahan will ever have a traditional drop back passing game that a 'formidable line' suits. They have, with the exception of a needed upgrade at RT, a good line for the offense. The running game will continue to be the engine and this year, expect to see RGIII in more of the style that Cousins played in vs. Cleveland and what the offense was prior to last season.

The QB who you keep describing isn't RGIII, it's Michael Vick..
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Excellent post, Paintrain.
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The QB who you keep describing isn't RGIII, it's Michael Vick..
Truer words...
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Old 04-26-2013, 04:20 PM   #143
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RGIII was injured (or worsening of an injury) 4 times last year by my count.

1. vs. Atlanta
2. vs. Baltimore
3. vs. Seattle (2nd TD drive)
4. vs. Seattle (end of the game)

Since you watched every play of every game last year, can you tell us what each play was and how Griffin got hurt?

To your team building strategy of building a formidable line, neither Shanahan will ever have a traditional drop back passing game that a 'formidable line' suits. They have, with the exception of a needed upgrade at RT, a good line for the offense. The running game will continue to be the engine and this year, expect to see RGIII in more of the style that Cousins played in vs. Cleveland and what the offense was prior to last season.

The QB who you keep describing isn't RGIII, it's Michael Vick..
From best of my memory (no cheating): against ATL he scrambled outside because nobody was open and dove to pick up that extra yard. Concussion. Against Balt it was a busted play and he scrambled downfield. Seattle (2nd TD) was a hit outside the pocket as he tried to extend the play to find an open WR. Then the infamous 4th quarter knee collapse...no description required.

The Cleveland game with Cousins was textbook (Mike) Shanahan from the Denver glory days, and in no way shape or form resembles what they schemed for RG. Not sure if that's what you've implied? Cousins was first QB of Mike's time in Washington to run that offense effectively. I think RG could and will if given the opportunity, but nobody should make the mistake thinking what we saw in Cleveland is anything like what they call for RG.

What else? Oh Vick vs RG. RG actually ran MORE than Vick. That's MORE lol not LESS. If what you mean there is Vick stayed healthy then yes...I get your point.
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Don't get sloppy now. You talked about his intelligence for avoiding contact, but it doesn't match the reality so far.

Dallas fans I know (most are friends) pity RG for the situation he's in. Running his wheels off is the typical comment.
Ha. Putting Dallas fans or Dallas anything near the word- intelligence. Now that's funny.

You just lost all credibility in the Redskins world. I think u prob know that at this point by using a Dallas fans opinion to back u up.
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From best of my memory (no cheating): against ATL he scrambled outside because nobody was open and dove to pick up that extra yard. Concussion. Against Balt it was a busted play and he scrambled downfield. Seattle (2nd TD) was a hit outside the pocket as he tried to extend the play to find an open WR. Then the infamous 4th quarter knee collapse...no description required.

The Cleveland game with Cousins was textbook (Mike) Shanahan from the Denver glory days, and in no way shape or form resembles what they schemed for RG. Not sure if that's what you've implied? Cousins was first QB of Mike's time in Washington to run that offense effectively. I think RG could and will if given the opportunity, but nobody should make the mistake thinking what we saw in Cleveland is anything like what they call for RG.

What else? Oh Vick vs RG. RG actually ran MORE than Vick. That's MORE lol not LESS. If what you mean there is Vick stayed healthy then yes...I get your point.
Glad your memory serves correctly because it emphasizes the point that RGIII got injured on plays called for a QB, NOT a running QB. He scrambled. Has nothing to do with the play call, the read option, running plays called for him, etc. Donovan McNabb, Rex Grossman, John Blech or Kirk Cousins could have been hurt the same exact ways on the same exact plays, does that make them 'running QB'? No. The notion of RGIII is a 'running QB' and his injuries are proof is absurd.

The comment about the Cleveland game was more predictive in nature, that we should expect to see more of that in 2013 but in reality we saw a majority of that when RG3 played anyways, but from the Pistol rather than under center. It's still an I formation or single back and assignments/boot options are run identically.

If you're looking at the 2012 stats (I don't have them in front of me) RG3 may have had more carries than Vick last season and even single season high but its too soon to make a declarative statement on him running more vs. Vick.
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Old 04-26-2013, 04:49 PM   #146
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Fact: Bob did not get hurt even once on a designed running play.

It's hard to understand how his wheels are being "run off" when there lacks even one tiny data point proving it. As PT said...the notion is patently absurd.

The Cleveland game showed how we would run this offense without a QB with the dynamic mobility of Bob AND AND AND AND mother f'n AND the same experience. It wasn't text book Shanny offense...it was textbook rookie QB Shanny offense. Lots of roll outs (cutting the field in half), lean on the running game, keep KC from having to make too many decisions. It was a function of KC limitations more than anything. The idea that we ran a higher quality offense with Kirk f'n Cousins is just GD stupid. Bob is a better QB in every GD way. The Shanny's simply have more to work with in RGIII and they utilize it.
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Old 04-26-2013, 04:52 PM   #148
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Ha. Putting Dallas fans or Dallas anything near the word- intelligence. Now that's funny.

You just lost all credibility in the Redskins world. I think u prob know that at this point by using a Dallas fans opinion to back u up.
Two of my closest friends are Dallas fans...shoot me lol.

Per going onto a Dallas board to get a consensus opinion of Skins, RG etc, I would argue you don't get much perspective from any board. Tends to be a lot of groupthink regardless of the team, board etc.
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Two of my closest friends are Dallas fans...shoot me lol.

Per going onto a Dallas board to get a consensus opinion of Skins, RG etc, I would argue you don't get much perspective from any board. Tends to be a lot of groupthink regardless of the team, board etc.
I don't know who to feel more sorry for- you or your friends. Especially after RGIII schooled Romo on how a real leader qbs a team in his rookie season. That was the true definition of "sonning" someone.
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it's kinda funny to think about a former olympic quality track star getting his wheels run off, when you think about it.
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