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Old 01-14-2013, 10:15 PM   #421
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We would have beat Seattle with a healthy RG3, in all likelihood. Let's just start there.
I wholeheartedly agree. RG3 was less than 50% in that game against Seattle and still led the offense on its first two scoring drives. But he was crippled to the point that it hindered the offense the rest of the game with a meager 76 yards of total offense for the remainder of the game. With a completely healthy RG3, the Redskins would have blown the Seahawks out......
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Old 01-15-2013, 10:22 AM   #422
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I wholeheartedly agree. RG3 was less than 50% in that game against Seattle and still led the offense on its first two scoring drives. But he was crippled to the point that it hindered the offense the rest of the game with a meager 76 yards of total offense for the remainder of the game. With a completely healthy RG3, the Redskins would have blown the Seahawks out......
I do not think the Redskins would have blown them out, seeing as Seattle is a second half time and the Redskins defense did not play well that game, but it would have been a closer game. But like a lot of people have already stated, the only way the Redskins beat Seattle is with a 100% healthy RG3.
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I do not think the Redskins would have blown them out, seeing as Seattle is a second half time and the Redskins defense did not play well that game, but it would have been a closer game. But like a lot of people have already stated, the only way the Redskins beat Seattle is with a 100% healthy RG3.
What? You do realize that Seattle didn't take the lead until there were 7 minutes left in the game?
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What? You do realize that Seattle didn't take the lead until there were 7 minutes left in the game?
Redskins defense allowed 200 plus yards on the ground with 6.1 YPC. You don't win many games playing like that, if RG3 was healthy and if we kept running the ball I do think the Redskins would have pulled out the win, but it would have been a 27-24 type of win. Seattle was able to move the ball very well and the Redskins allowed key 3rd down conversions during that game. To say the Redskins would have just won the game is not completely accurate, just like the Atlanta Seattle game, that game came down to a last 30 second drive by the Falcons, but sadly we will never know if the Redskins could have pulled it out.
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Bill Barnwell on the weekend's divisional games - Grantland


Great read. I think many of you need to read this.
It's not a great read at all. It's drivel from a manning apologist, glossing over the fact that manning turned the ball over 3 times. he criticizes other broncos for letting manning down bysaying if they had done their jobs, the game would have been won before overtime so mannings last pick never should have happened. And he says this:

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If the Broncos get the sort of defensive/special teams miracle they seemed to get last year in overtime games with Tim Tebow, the Broncos almost surely win
the broncos special teams scored 2 touchdowns in regulation!!! what more do you want? If the broncos special teams had not given the team 14 miracle points, the broncos would have LOST in regulation.

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If Jacoby Jones delivers on his dismal postseason reputation from a year ago and drops the game-tying touchdown pass, the Broncos almost surely win
He's arguing the Broncos should have won by criticizing the fact that one of the Ravens players made a good play.

The only reason to recommend that anyone read that article is if you want them to get stupider. And yes, i know stupider is not a word; however, it seems fitting to use in reference to that POS article.

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It's not a great read at all. It's drivel from a manning apologist, glossing over the fact that manning turned the ball over 3 times. he criticizes other broncos for letting manning down bysaying if they had done their jobs, the game would have been won before overtime so mannings last pick never should have happened. He criticized the special teams for not working magic in overtime. the broncos special teams scored 2 touchdowns in regulation!!! what more do you want?
That entire game was not on Manning's shoulders, he definitively has his share of the blame but the majority of the blame should go on John Fox and that Defense, and then Manning. Like I said before, he did not put his team in the best situation to win the game, but he did not lose it by himself.
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What? You do realize that Seattle didn't take the lead until there were 7 minutes left in the game?
And after the fumble, didn't the defense hold them to a FG when they started at the 5yd line?

It seems to me that the D could have held up it's end of the game. c'est la vie ...
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That entire game was not on Manning's shoulders, he definitively has his share of the blame but the majority of the blame should go on John Fox and that Defense, and then Manning. Like I said before, he did not put his team in the best situation to win the game, but he did not lose it by himself.
No one said he lost it by himself, but its not like the players around him let Manning down. Some broncos played exceptionally. Others didnt. If i had to put Manning in either category, he'd definitely go in the later. You arent helping your team win a playoff game when you turn the ball over three times.
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Redskins defense allowed 200 plus yards on the ground with 6.1 YPC. You don't win many games playing like that, if RG3 was healthy and if we kept running the ball I do think the Redskins would have pulled out the win, but it would have been a 27-24 type of win. Seattle was able to move the ball very well and the Redskins allowed key 3rd down conversions during that game. To say the Redskins would have just won the game is not completely accurate, just like the Atlanta Seattle game, that game came down to a last 30 second drive by the Falcons, but sadly we will never know if the Redskins could have pulled it out.
An effective RG3 certainly would have made a difference. Total yardage stats are often not as critical as they sound. The defense allowed alot of rushing, but held them out of the endzone several times. If our offense keeps them off the field, you have can see where the defense might step up a little more.

That said, if it is close going into the 4th quarter, then yes, it's anybody's game.
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An effective RG3 certainly would have made a difference. Total yardage stats are often not as critical as they sound. The defense allowed alot of rushing, but held them out of the endzone several times. If our offense keeps them off the field, you have can see where the defense might step up a little more.

That said, if it is close going into the 4th quarter, then yes, it's anybody's game.
That is what I am saying, it seems we think the Redskins would have definitely won the game, I think that game could have gone either way. Even with a healthy RG3.
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No one said he lost it by himself, but its not like the players around him let Manning down. Some broncos played exceptionally. Others didnt. If i had to put Manning in either category, he'd definitely go in the later. You arent helping your team win a playoff game when you turn the ball over three times.
I will agree with that. Elite Regular Season Quarterback, mediocre post season quarterback.
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No one said he lost it by himself, but its not like the players around him let Manning down. Some broncos played exceptionally. Others didnt. If i had to put Manning in either category, he'd definitely go in the later. You arent helping your team win a playoff game when you turn the ball over three times.

So you mean that WR who let the ball deflect off his hands for a INT/TD didn't let Manning down? You mean a defense that was ranked #2 in the NFL (#4 in PPG defense) gave up 31 points to a shitty Ravens offense didn't let Manning down? It's obvious you didn't even bother watching the game, but decided to add your Goat commentary.

http://nfl.cpl.delvenetworks.com/pla...a80bff84e44e27

Some of you have you head buried in the sand. This is like when Brett Favre got blamed for that loss against the Saints for his INT, but yet Adrian Peterson fumbled the ball 3 times (twice within the 5 yard line). BRETT CHOKE!!....lol Amazing how illogical some people can be.
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I will agree with that. Elite Regular Season Quarterback, mediocre post season quarterback.

Manning's career post season QB rating: 86

Brady's career post season QB rating: 86



LOL. Exactly the same. ROFFFFFFFFFL.
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Win as a team, lose as one. QBs already get way too much credit for wins and too much blame for losses in the regular season, but in the playoffs it ramps up to ridiculous levels.
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So you mean that WR who let the ball deflect off his hands for a INT/TD didn't let Manning down? You mean a defense that was ranked #2 in the NFL (#4 in PPG defense) gave up 31 points to a shitty Ravens offense didn't let Manning down? It's obvious you didn't even bother watching the game, but decided to add your Goat commentary.

Some of you have you head buried in the sand. This is like when Brett Favre got blamed for that loss against the Saints for his INT, but yet Adrian Peterson fumbled the ball 3 times (twice within the 5 yard line). BRETT CHOKE!!....lol Amazing how illogical some people can be.
1) If you watch the play where he threw a pick, the DB had a hand on the ball, the receiver did not drop it, you would have more of an argument saying it was pass interference then it was a dropped pass. The receiver had little chance of catching that ball with how he was being covered.

2) 2 of those drives started around midfield or better because of Manning turnovers, that is at least 6 points Manning gave the Ravens due to his turnovers.

3) Again, did Manning deserve all the blame for the game? No. The better question is whether he put his team in the best position to win the game, and in my opinion he did not.

Speaking of Brett Favre who did Manning tie for the most playoff loses of all time? Another stat sheet lover, Favre.
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