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Old 01-23-2013, 03:49 PM   #16
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Re: Dr. Andrews Using Stem Cells to Speed Recovery??

I always thought it was illegal to use stem cells in the US. Thats awsome that there is a way around it, that makes more sense ethically.
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:52 PM   #17
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Striking how many people just don't read the article and instead start spouting off with stupid crap.
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:52 PM   #18
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Oh my god. Read the article, people.

You can use stem cells for research in the US, as long as they are not from an embryo or a fetus. Furthermore, the only stem cell related medical procedures permitted in the US are those where the stem cells are extracted from the patient himself (specifically, from bone marrow in the hip) and re-injected back into the same patient at the site of injury/surgery.

It's all in the article. It should be a rule, you are not allowed to launch into politically charged opinions unless you first read all linked material in the thread.
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:56 PM   #19
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Why why why this thread going nutso, anyways good for them if it works.
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Whats stiking is that you would question why some people are opposed to embryonic stem cell research - whether you agree with their point of view or not.

There was arguably scientific benefit to the horrific research the nazis did experimenting on prisoners in WWII. I hate to use such a extreme comparison to prove a point, as no rational person would equate what the nazis did to embryonic stem cell research, but the underlying principle is the same - Scientists can't just perform research because of the potential benefits. Ethical concerns should be weighed against potential benefits in any type of research.

The reasons many peope oppose research using embryonic stem cells are obvious. Whether you agree with their point of view is entirely another matter, and its entirely reasonable for a person to have no problems with embryonic stem cell research.
Just for clarity, nothing in this article or thread was talking about embryonic stem cells except your post.
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The REAL offseason threads have officially begun!

I've got my popcorn ready.
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Bone marrow? Wow that must be extremely painful to acquire.
I remember reading an article (don't know where) that said the pain that Griffin felt after the surgery was extreme, and I was a little surprised since he had had a knee surgery. I knew this time it was on both knees (one for the graft) and thought that was it, but if he had a bone marrow operation, that would make a lot more sense to me.

I can't imagine the pain threshold these top athletes have. Crazy.
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Striking how many people just don't read the article and instead start spouting off with stupid crap.
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Whats stiking is that you would question why some people are opposed to embryonic stem cell research - whether you agree with their point of view or not.

There was arguably scientific benefit to the horrific research the nazis did experimenting on prisoners in WWII. I hate to use such a extreme comparison to prove a point, as no rational person would equate what the nazis did to embryonic stem cell research, but the underlying principle is the same - Scientists can't just perform research because of the potential benefits. Ethical concerns should be weighed against potential benefits in any type of research.

The reasons many peope oppose research using embryonic stem cells are obvious. Whether you agree with their point of view is entirely another matter, and its entirely reasonable for a person to have no problems with embryonic stem cell research.
Of course scientific research must follow ethical paths. There is no question in that. The question is, which ethics? The ethical stance which conflates stem cell research with abortion issues? Or the ethical stance which holds that healing people is a central good, so stem cell research should be expanded?

It seems to me that RGIII's case is an example which teaches that we should be expanding stem cell research of various types rather than being, as a society, so squeamish about stem cells. Just my opinion.
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Just for clarity, nothing in this article or thread was talking about embryonic stem cells except your post.
Just for clarity my response was to Lotus' post, which in turn was a comment on other peoples comments indicating opposition to "stem cell research."

No sane person is opposed to "stem cell research." SOME PEOPLE are opposed to EMBRYONIC stem cell research for ethical reasons. That is the context of my post. It wasnt a rant on stem cell research by someone who didnt read the article, because i did read the article.

The purpose of my post was to explain why SOME PEOPLE are opposed to EMBRYONIC stem cell research -a distinction Lotus didnt make in his post by just referring to "stem cell research" in the general sense. The distinction is important.
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Re: Dr. Andrews Using Stem Cells to Speed Recovery??

I'm sure Goodell will say stem cells is like steroids/HGH and get it banned.
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Old 01-23-2013, 04:27 PM   #27
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Of course scientific research must follow ethical paths. There is no question in that. The question is, which ethics? The ethical stance which conflates stem cell research with abortion issues? Or the ethical stance which holds that healing people is a central good, so stem cell research should be expanded?

It seems to me that RGIII's case is an example which teaches that we should be expanding stem cell research of various types rather than being, as a society, so squeamish about stem cells. Just my opinion.
I agree with you - its just that to my knowledge, society isnt squeamish about stem cells - well "educated" society isnt anyways. To the best of my knowledge, the only real debate is over embryonic stem cell research and whether THAT is ethical or not. I highly doubt anyone would have a problem with grabbing stem cells from RGIIIs pelvic bone and injecting it into his knee.
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Old 01-23-2013, 04:29 PM   #28
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I'm sure Goodell will say stem cells is like steroids/HGH and get it banned.
That was one of my first thoughts as well. Ireally dont like the leagues stance on HGH. In my opinion, HGH should be allowed to help players recover from injury faster. Its better for the league to have is players healthy. As long as the league would be allowed to approve HGH on a case by case basis (like they do with adderall), i dont see why they should have a problem with it.
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Just for clarity my response was to Lotus' post, which in turn was a comment on other peoples comments indicating opposition to "stem cell research."

No sane person is opposed to "stem cell research." SOME PEOPLE are opposed to EMBRYONIC stem cell research for ethical reasons. That is the context of my post. It wasnt a rant on stem cell research by someone who didnt read the article, because i did read the article.

The purpose of my post was to explain why SOME PEOPLE are opposed to EMBRYONIC stem cell research -a distinction Lotus didnt make in his post by just referring to "stem cell research" in the general sense. The distinction is important.
Not really, because Lotus' point was that people would get into histrionics at the mere mention of stem cell research (ie AW's post) instead of looking at the facts that make it a viable research alternative. In fact your response was, in my opinion, exactly the response Lotus was saying was frustrating. If I want to talk about effective US stem cell therapies then by definition, and US laws, I am not talking about Embryonic stem cells.

You introduced that topic, and now here we are ranting on it, rather than just talking about how fascinating valid stem cell therapy may become.
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Old 01-23-2013, 04:34 PM   #30
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Use this thread as a learning opportunity. There seem to be a striking number of people who think the only source of stem cells are a human embryo, completely unaware that we are all walking around with them inside our body.
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